yeah of course indie games count.... but in the PS4 list you have a ton of PS3, XB360 existing game like FEZ, Flow all that crap that can't really be counted as new launched games IMO... especially since I believe MS is also talking about porting some XBLA games to the one....

anyway that kind of fight is meaningless... at 70 title with all the blockbuster it is way enough to keep me busy until the next batch.... good for PS4 I guess... but it's like Google play store or apple store braging about the number of apps with more than half that are download just by the devlopper and his friends.... to me some of those ports will be just fillers....

You're not taking into account Microsoft's indie program that they're launching (from what I hear) a few months after launch. When that happens their really won't be much of a reason for many of them to not port/make their game for the X1 because as the 360 has shown them, their is a market for quality XBLA games.

I'm willing to bet that by the end of one year the disparity between the two won't be like it is now. It will be closer to 1:1 for amount of games with probably a 15% or so difference between the two.

xbox 360 has almost 4000 indie games (arcade and indie section), but all i heard the last years is that 360 has no games. exactly the same people who said those indie games don't count say that this is a fair advantage for ps4 now. well...if this is the case, why didn't people praise the 360 for the huge games library?

How do you decide?  We like to use numbers for almost everything.  How about deciding now really means nothing.  Lets wait a year and we will count the number of Million+ sellers for each console.  That will determine how many games really matter.  The Wii had hundreds of shovelware games come out for it that literally were garbage.  So, have a hundred indie games on your list?  How muh of that is going to be garbage for both systems.  Most indie games are what I call "B" games.  They are like B movies, they have their place and sometimes they turn out to be good.  But most of the time, they are lower quality in every aspect.  Then you have that group of A games that get real advertising and decent budgets.  They either hit or miss with consumers, but generally have decent gameplay and quality of graphics. 

Your right, its all very subjective and how do we really choose.

Lets stick to the numbers...

Quality > Volume

This list is silly.

"a few months after launch"

Thats like a whole year after Sony embraced indies when they announced the indie program alongside the PS4. A lot of indies only announce their games on PC/PS4 and they never seem to have XBone stretch goals on kickstarter.

I see a similar situation with non-indie PC devs.

That makes no sense at all. Indie devs having access to your competitors platform a year before yours is putting yourself at a significant disadvantage. Clearly microsoft just didn't have their shit together.

What's silly about making people aware of announced games on soon to be released consoles? 

I think what's silly in this thread are those who are trying to suggest that there's more quality games in the XB1's significantly smaller lineup. 

I don't think there's an issue with your first point, but you know that most people won't leave it at that. This website is all about the wars. I'm just trying to be consistent with my posts.

I hope you weren't including me in that second point, because I'm not. I would suggest that both consoles are relatively even keel in popular titles announced that more than a few hundred thousand care about, with most of them multiplat anyway.