You are contradicting yourself: Of course the history is completely irrelevant when looking at the profitability of a brand

they have had 6 straight years of profit [...] The trend is actually really positive at the moment.

To have a trend you need to have a history - so it ISN'T irrelevent to look at MS's history in console gaming. The history is PART of the trend going forward. Yes, Xbox is making money now, but from what I've seen the brand as a whole has lost more money than its made, and that's something to remember because it's important for the brand to generate money from the get go with the Xbone - MS has said so themselves.

Investors won't be interested in Xbox if it doesn't recover the losses sustained from the past 12 years. True, they're having a positive trend earning tons of cash, but that's also a trend they have to keep alive.

I said the PS2 won because of games. But do you remember the first year it had? Was kinda shitty.
In comparison. But it got the momentum. It got in peoples house., people bought the system. It got games. Over and done, boom market leader.

Sony has no media format or center to utilize here. A chromecast can do more than it can do media wise.

Do you know why Sony's handheld strategy sucks? Because its a console strategy for a handheld. Its a very multimedia centric device with few "system defining" games and million sellers.Half of its purpose is made defunct by phones. Also memory cards.  Interestingly Sony software did terrible on the PSP, but they have a much higher attache rate on the Vita)

Do you know why I said Nintendo will be fine? Because they always give the consumer what they didnt know they wanted.

Did you mean more established than sony or nintendo cause that's how I interpreted it. BTW just because it has higher preorders than the xbox 360 doesn't mean that it will sell better than the xbox 360. The xbone isn't disruptive at all and that's because because microsoft hasn't committed to making any relevant games for the kinect 2. In fact I think it will become just as worthless as the wii u gamepad because after all if it has no software to support it's worth then it might as well not be there. I better be seeing the kinect only games selling well otherwise it will have not improved on the software attach ratio. The fact that the matter is none of the consoles are disruptive to the point that the market will grow and instead will have lost the audience because consumers from the wii will have being lost. 

I don't see how you would have interpreted it as against sony or nintendo as I have been comparing the X1 to the 360 the whole time, but whatever.  I agree that higher preorders does not necessarily mean that it will sell better in the long run, but it is also the only data we actually have to look at right now.  You are saying that it looks like the X1 won't sell nearly as much as the 360, but you don't have anything to base that on other than your thoughts of the price point being too high and the economy being bad.  Never mind the fact that the economy is actually doing just fine right now and the last generation suffered through one of the worst recessions ever and still managed to move the most hardware of any generation.  

Basically, I'm supporting my views with the only data available, you are supporting your views with conjecture.  

@Bold Hahahahaha. That was hilarious, you said the economy was doing good ?  Last generation had a recession ? (Are you serious ? I think your in la la land LOL.)

The only thing preorders prove is that the hardcore fanbase has grown not what the general consumer wants. You can keep saying my analysis stinks but $500 in this economy while not differentiating itself from it's competitors sounds like a disaster for recipe and I don't care what anyone else says. 

Really?  you don't think a recession happened durring the last generation of game consoles?  Do you not remember 2008-09?  Do I actually need to give you links that talk about a recession?  Do you not remember the Eurozone almost collapsing because of Greece?  And you are mocking me?  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Recession

As far as the current economy, I said it is doing fine, and it is.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-state-of-the-world-economy-2013-9

The us stock market is at its highest levels, housing market is rebounding, Europe is rebounding, China is still growing.  The world economy has essentially recovered at this point and is currently on a upward trajectory.  Still fragile maybe, which is why I say it is doing fine and not good or great, but it certainly isn't some terrible economy like you are trying to say it is.  

"The Game Industry assumed Wii would sell like how the Wii U is selling today. When Wii shot off, people were looking for answers as to ‘how?’ or ‘why?’ which is how this site became well known. If I had discussion with people who weren’t using the business gavel, it would be like food having discussion with poison. Who wins in such combination? The poison. This is why the game forums ended up being wrong as well."

"There is not enough business minded people in society to have discussions. Most people don’t want to discuss the business, they just want to talk about the games."

For me, that was the most interesting part of all the article