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Darc Requiem on 14 October 2013
czecherychestnut said:
I don't understand why people are just taking his word for it in this thread? Innocent til proven guilty and all that? I'm not saying that he's wrong, but lets at least wait for Rockstar to respond before jumping on their back.

If you think about what is in this game and the history of its predecessors, do you not think this game would have gone through scores of legal reviews? Or the very plausible idea that given the..non-remarkability of these two tracks, that Rockstar would have been much more inclined to just find another artist and provide them the chance to get their music listened to by over 20 million people instead of just saying ' f*ck it, this is totally worth the risk of getting sued for millions'? This isn't some buried code like hot coffee that may have been missed by a legal review, this is in the game, on a track listing, easily accessible and reviewable part of the game content.

My money is on mis-communication between Daz and the respective labels ('nothing but a cavi hit' was released by Da Dogg Pound on the Priority Records label, which is owned by Capital records who in turn is owned by Universal Music Group. C-Walk was released by Kurupt on the A&M label, which is also owned by Universal Music Group

Since he owns the masters, the record labels can't license the songs without his permission. They'd need his permission to use those songs themselves.



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Darc Requiem on 14 October 2013
czecherychestnut said:
I don't understand why people are just taking his word for it in this thread? Innocent til proven guilty and all that? I'm not saying that he's wrong, but lets at least wait for Rockstar to respond before jumping on their back.

If you think about what is in this game and the history of its predecessors, do you not think this game would have gone through scores of legal reviews? Or the very plausible idea that given the..non-remarkability of these two tracks, that Rockstar would have been much more inclined to just find another artist and provide them the chance to get their music listened to by over 20 million people instead of just saying ' f*ck it, this is totally worth the risk of getting sued for millions'? This isn't some buried code like hot coffee that may have been missed by a legal review, this is in the game, on a track listing, easily accessible and reviewable part of the game content.

My money is on mis-communication between Daz and the respective labels ('nothing but a cavi hit' was released by Da Dogg Pound on the Priority Records label, which is owned by Capital records who in turn is owned by Universal Music Group. C-Walk was released by Kurupt on the A&M label, which is also owned by Universal Music Group

Since he owns the masters, the record labels can't license the songs without his permission. They'd need his permission to use those songs themselves.



se7en7thre3 on 14 October 2013
Baddman said:
Seece said:

Hope they offer him 99 cents then patch the game and tell him to fuck off.

He's a jackass because

A) he's probably lying

B) if this even went through (It won't) 20 million people would be pissed off

C) he's a nobody, R* have probably done him a favour opening his music up to 20 million people.

 Daz doesnt need Rockstars money or they're exposure...how old are ya'll like 15?!??

1 classic album with the Dogg Pound
1 slept on West Coast Classic album (solo)
Classic production on Doggy Style(snoop dogg) and All Eyes On Me(2pac) and Murder Was The Case sdtk
Worked on Kurupts CERTIFIED West Coast Classic Streetz Is a Mutha
Worked with Alchemist, Xzibit, and Game as well

Sued Dr.Dre for bread
Put in work at SoSo Def for some years when Jermaine Dupri was still really popping

What the hell does HE need to give his music away for or need Cosign from Rockstar for? After that sh*t he thru with DeathRow and Dre. you think this he is giving away money??

& Dont forget Daz sued and won a 25 + mil lawsuit against Death row records as well.  

 

Rockstar will $ettle w/ Daz D. accordingly, no doubt.



noname2200 on 14 October 2013
Darc Requiem said:
I've lost respect for a lot of people in this thread. Rockstar stole from the guy. He's in he right period. If he was the jackass you all are pretending he is. He'd demand an immediate cease and desist and R* would really be screwed. It amazes me how quickly people are willing to throw the law when it pertains to something they like.

Side note: How would patching out the songs help the situation? I swear fans are worse than a companies enemies. By patching out his songs they'd be admitting they stole them in the first place. His lawyers would have a feel day.

I'm not sure if this also applies to IP law, but generally actions intended to remedy the harm after the harm was brought to light ("subsequent remedial measures") are inadmissible for most purposes. Makes sense: if you're suing because the defendant's stairs were so dangerous they caused you to break your arm, it's better for society that the defendant repair the defect ASAP and sort out the mess later, rather than discourage such a remedy by making the repairs create the plaintiff's case for him.

 

 

Anyways, $4,000 seems rather low to me.

czecherychestnut said:


If you think about what is in this game and the history of its predecessors, do you not think this game would have gone through scores of legal reviews?

Things slip through the cracks all the time, especially with huge productions live GTA. I sincerely doubt there was ever any malice on the part of Rockstar, but I'm inclined to believe the rapper's complaint is legitimate.



Zappykins on 14 October 2013

Quick time Joes says: "Time to guy buy up all the current editions! If it get's recalled, I will have all the Original Copies, and be rich like having Atari's ET game!"

You really shouldn't use someone else's art without permission. They will probably have to pay him more than their original offering. Although in court, it would be interesting to see his lawyers say, "People bought GTAV because of his two songs!"



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

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noname2200 on 14 October 2013
Miguel_Zorro said:

It doesn't matter if he's the most popular musician of all time, or if he's never sold a single album.

It doesn't matter how popular the game is, or whether the inclusion of the song influences sales.

If somebody says they don't want their intellectual property in the game, it doesn't go in the game.  Full stop.  

It actually matters tremendously, albeit for practical rather than legal reasons. If these claims were raised by some no-name musician without a penny to his name, his leverage would be greatly weakened: legal proceedings are expensive, IP litigation doubly so, and fighting a successful and wealthy corporation compounds the probelm even more. Because this guy apparently has money to fight, the legal calculus starts to shift dramatically in his favor: he can't simply be bullied away, or bought off for pennies.



Kasz216 on 15 October 2013
think-man said:

 

Im older than 15 and I've never heard of the guy. Age don't mean shit most poeple only really know the famous rappers, People that listen to rap may know him but I doubt many other people would.


Eh, the Dog Pound album went number 1 on the billboard 200 and he's had at least one more if not more forays in the billboard top 10.

Back when people actually gave a shit about that.

So it shouldn't be too shocking that non rap people would know him.



oldschoolfool on 15 October 2013

just replace the songs are give him more money 2 shut up. Problem solved.