Wrong again.

I think it's pretty well established the Wii U is in a deep hole. No need to beat a dead horse over and over and over again.

GoW is clearly not on the same calibur as GTA in terms of sales/popularity. GTA 5 first weeks sales were over triple GoW 2 lifetimes sales.

And Wii is an exception, u said earlier we would likely never see a PS2 again well the same thing could be said for Wii, there will most likely never be a console with such enourmous demand as Wii had in its first 2-3 years.

Also Genesis was outsold by NES in its early years. Saturn was being outsold by SNES and I believe even PS1 got off to a slow start with SNES outselling it initially. Dreamcast was outsold by PS1/N64 in 2000. PS1 sold better than GC/Xbox in 2002. PS2 sold better than PS3/360 in 2006 & 2007. It is very common for previous gen consoles to do better than next gen consoles at first.

No, it's not a cheap excuse at all and my point still stands completely.  The PS2 didn't have even remotely the support of big titles in its 8th year that the HD twins have whether you want to admit it or not.  And BTW, GOW 2 came early in its 7th year...

Finally, the Wii was the biggest front-loaded phenomenon the industry has ever seen regarding consoles.  That's common knowledge; I really didn't think that needed addressing.

GTA on ps2 in its 8th year would have little effect on hardware. Its a cheap excuse.

You're conveniently using that statement in isolation.  The fact is that the industry's big games (save for Guitar Hero and Rockband) had completely moved on to the 7th gen.  The PS2 was the undisputed leader of its generation; yet, was it getting Modern Warfare in 2007?  Bioshock?  Assassin's Creed?  Mass Effect?

The industry had moved on in the PS2's 7th year (to say nothing of its 8th year), and that's a fact.  Stop arguing for the sake of arguing.

Such hipocrasy. Did people already forget how 3ds, Vita and even PS3 and Xbox360 suffered on their first year of sales ?
Gamers should take this as good news not only for Nintendo, but for the market itself, who has experiencing a decrease in sales for quite some time. New and expensive consoles have the tendency to sell worse than their predecessors. It´s good to see that people are still interested in consoles, if they can find them for a affordable price, instead of just switching to tablets and smartphones.
Let´s hope Nintendo find better sales, as well as the new Sony and MS devices getting good consumer reception in the future.

The ps4 and Xbox One doesn't even compare to WiiU

Whats your point? Bioshock, assassins creed, mass effect and modern warfare (sorta) are all new IPs from this generation. Thats a piss poor argument and all together irrelevant

@Bolded:  Nope.

The industry was no longer focused on the 6th gen consoles at that time.  Developers and publishers were focusing on new hardware.  Perhaps you should follow discussions before posting...

My entire point in my discussion with Kane is that using the "WiiU losing to 8 year old hardware" point is a poor excuse because that 8 year old hardware is still being heavily supported, is now at mass market prices, and has an extensive library of games.  There's a reason it has taken so long before the PS360 have had successors released.  How is this difficult to understand?

Ergo, it's not surprising that a new console (WiiU) being the most expensive with the smallest library would be having a hard time competing with said hardware.

The only exception is a complete market disruptor like the Wii, which the WiiU is not.