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think-man on 10 October 2013
Puppyroach said:
I think this is a pretty useless thread since noone actually seem to which one is more powerful. I am, however, amazed at the number of negative posts flooding in from pro PS people. Is it hard to just leave a MS thread to the MS fans and let them discuss the matter for themselves?


Well its hardly a MS thread if your comparing it with the PS4 now is it :P



 

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GribbleGrunger on 10 October 2013

From Gaf:

Xbone: 1.18 TF GPU (12 CUs) for games
Xbone: 768 Shaders
Xbone: 48 Texture units
Xbone: 16 ROPS
Xbone: 2 ACE/ 16 queues

PS4: 1.84TF GPU ( 18 CUs) for games + 56%
PS4: 1152 Shaders +50%
PS4: 72 Texture units +50%
PS4: 32 ROPS + 100%
PS4: 8 ACE/64 queues +400%

The games are going to be great on the X1 but you people really need to just accept it's weaker and move on.



 

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fatslob-:O on 10 October 2013
Pemalite said:
Drakester said:
Wow how can you say that there is no advantage by the PS4 having ddr5 ram? The ddr5 ram is a pretty decent improvement upon the aged ddr3 ram the the XBONE is using. Also with the PS4 using Gaikai I find it very unlikely that the PS4 will not have a similar cloud service to that offered by MS. The only difference is it isnt forced onto gamers.


None of the consoles use DDR5 Ram, it doesn't exist yet, DDR4 is coming to the PC however.

Semantics aside, it doesn't matter if it uses DDR3 or GDDR5, 256Bit DDR3 can equal 128bit GDDR5 in terms of bandwidth at the same clocks.
If Microsoft pushed for 512bit DDR3 they could potentially have had more memory bandwidth than the Playstation 4.
However, that would have meant more PCB layers and thus traces and a more complex memory controller which would have driven up costs.
That could *potentially* have been mitigated by dropping 1.6 Billion transisters spent on the eSRAM.

I personally wouldn't have a clue if a 512bit DDR3 memory bus would have been cheaper in the short-term even with the eSRAM dropped, in the long term it won't be as Microsoft gets the APU fabbed at a lower fabrication process.

Also on average, DDR3 has lower latency than GDDR5, however we are only talking roughly 20% here, not to mention GPU's tend not to give a rats ass about memory latency anyway or what kind of advantage/disadvantage the eSRAM does to memory access latency either.

Latency wouldn't have mattered much considering the massive parallelism would have masked it. 



gooch_destroyer on 10 October 2013

Another thread about specs?



Drakester on 10 October 2013

To say Gaikai isnt computing anything is a very bold statement. Are you very high up in the Sony heirachy as no one but them currently knows how Gaikai will be used on the PS4. The fact is if it isnt used to boost the PS4 its certainly going to boost the VITA and finally allow for a true and reliable remote play experience which is far beyond what Microsoft will offer with Smartglass. However we will not know the extent Azure and Gaikai will be used until launch but from what ive heard about Gaikai is its a very reliable and powerful streaming service which has great scope. No wonder Sony paid 300million for it.



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sully1311 on 10 October 2013

Enough of these threads please!



LiquorandGunFun on 10 October 2013

In 2 days or so a new "True Spec" will be released in the Sony discussion.

Its so irrelevant people. Its going to be just like this gen, your going to need a microscope. Its talking out of the ass unti lthey are launched.



 

Sensei on 10 October 2013

But the cloud!



jlmurph2 on 10 October 2013
Drakester said:

To say Gaikai isnt computing anything is a very bold statement. Are you very high up in the Sony heirachy as no one but them currently knows how Gaikai will be used on the PS4. The fact is if it isnt used to boost the PS4 its certainly going to boost the VITA and finally allow for a true and reliable remote play experience which is far beyond what Microsoft will offer with Smartglass. However we will not know the extent Azure and Gaikai will be used until launch but from what ive heard about Gaikai is its a very reliable and powerful streaming service which has great scope. No wonder Sony paid 300million for it.


Sony paid 300 million for Gaikai, MS has spent billions on Data Centers for Azure



RenSuzugamori on 10 October 2013

This is a thread made by a person who won't accept fact, and will force his own logic over others, no matter what. There's no point to this thread, the person who created it will never accept anything unless it would agree with him.

It really doesn't matter, in the end, Developers will make games that'll look around the same on both systems, with PS4 exclusive(especially first party) games looking the best.

Same as last gen.