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Damnyouall on 08 October 2013
crissindahouse said:

yes kinect collects some data if you want to use it  and even if you opt out of the advertisement program.

Which is why I opt out of buying an Xbone.



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crissindahouse on 08 October 2013
Damnyouall said:
crissindahouse said:

yes kinect collects some data if you want to use it  and even if you opt out of the advertisement program.

That's exactly what I am doing. I opted out of buying an Xbone.

well, not sure how you expected how kinect can recognize you without saving some data (also kinect for 360) and as long as these data kinect simply needs won't leave your console i'm also not sure why you have a problem with  it but you just seem to be against kinect in general and then yes, maybe it is better for you not to buy and xbox one.

but it was obviously not magic that xbox one would start with your and not your wife's profile if you say "xbox on"



Hornet303 on 08 October 2013

This actually is a pretty big deal in my eyes.  Never has there been a camera in your house where most of the people will congregate and have the "potential" for capturing a TON of information.  It could "potentially" know who you are, what colors you like to wear.  How much weight you've gained in the past month.  Whether you're sick or you're healthy. What you smoke, what you drink, what you eat, what time you go to bed, what time you wake up etc..  Sure this can be used for good, but could potentially be used for gain.

I also MS has filed for : http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-11-06-microsoft-applies-for-pay-per-viewer-patent

Now if you want to buy an MMA fight for you and your friends, maybe instead of 40 bux, its now 120 cause they can count how many viewers are watching.

I am for data collection.  It has many useful purposes, but willingly putting something in your home for someone to potentially watch is concerning.  What if police/FBI/NSA corner MS because they believe someone commited a crime.  We'll maybe they're not using that info for advertising, but hmm, we have all the above details about these people, we better turn it over.



WiiBox3 on 08 October 2013
landguy1 said:
They have stated a number of times that NO INFORMATION from Kinect leaves your XB1 without your permission. The device is technically always on, but is in a standby mode where the camera is off(power saving) until commanded to wake up. The "data collection" is when the Kinect camera is turned on and the actual scan of the physical space sends the "data" to the XB1 to be interpreted. Therefore it is "collecting data" to determine what you want it to do next. That doesn't mean it is sending the info anywhere or storing data to be sent or used outside of what it was being used for up to that minute.


In many cases they took this a step further. Your friends XBO will not recognise you until you have downloaded your account and the Kinect on that XBO links you to your avaitar. The Kinect data for your profile does not leave the XBO.



Azerth on 08 October 2013
Hornet303 said:

This actually is a pretty big deal in my eyes.  Never has there been a camera in your house where most of the people will congregate and have the "potential" for capturing a TON of information.  It could "potentially" know who you are, what colors you like to wear.  How much weight you've gained in the past month.  Whether you're sick or you're healthy. What you smoke, what you drink, what you eat, what time you go to bed, what time you wake up etc..  Sure this can be used for good, but could potentially be used for gain.

I also MS has filed for : http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-11-06-microsoft-applies-for-pay-per-viewer-patent

Now if you want to buy an MMA fight for you and your friends, maybe instead of 40 bux, its now 120 cause they can count how many viewers are watching.

I am for data collection.  It has many useful purposes, but willingly putting something in your home for someone to potentially watch is concerning.  What if police/FBI/NSA corner MS because they believe someone commited a crime.  We'll maybe they're not using that info for advertising, but hmm, we have all the above details about these people, we better turn it over.


Right just like sony and is disc based drm patent that doesnt require the internet



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WiiBox3 on 08 October 2013
Hornet303 said:

This actually is a pretty big deal in my eyes.  Never has there been a camera in your house where most of the people will congregate and have the "potential" for capturing a TON of information.  It could "potentially" know who you are, what colors you like to wear.  How much weight you've gained in the past month.  Whether you're sick or you're healthy. What you smoke, what you drink, what you eat, what time you go to bed, what time you wake up etc..  Sure this can be used for good, but could potentially be used for gain.

I also MS has filed for : http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-11-06-microsoft-applies-for-pay-per-viewer-patent

Now if you want to buy an MMA fight for you and your friends, maybe instead of 40 bux, its now 120 cause they can count how many viewers are watching.

I am for data collection.  It has many useful purposes, but willingly putting something in your home for someone to potentially watch is concerning.  What if police/FBI/NSA corner MS because they believe someone commited a crime.  We'll maybe they're not using that info for advertising, but hmm, we have all the above details about these people, we better turn it over.

What about the current Kinect or the PS Eye?

As for the advertising patent, companies apply for patents all of the time. Most patents are never used. If they started charging for PPV this way, people would unplug the XBO and find another way to watch the content.



landguy1 on 08 October 2013
Hornet303 said:

This actually is a pretty big deal in my eyes.  Never has there been a camera in your house where most of the people will congregate and have the "potential" for capturing a TON of information.  It could "potentially" know who you are, what colors you like to wear.  How much weight you've gained in the past month.  Whether you're sick or you're healthy. What you smoke, what you drink, what you eat, what time you go to bed, what time you wake up etc..  Sure this can be used for good, but could potentially be used for gain.

I also MS has filed for : http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-11-06-microsoft-applies-for-pay-per-viewer-patent

Now if you want to buy an MMA fight for you and your friends, maybe instead of 40 bux, its now 120 cause they can count how many viewers are watching.

I am for data collection.  It has many useful purposes, but willingly putting something in your home for someone to potentially watch is concerning.  What if police/FBI/NSA corner MS because they believe someone commited a crime.  We'll maybe they're not using that info for advertising, but hmm, we have all the above details about these people, we better turn it over.

You missed the bit about the information never leaving your machine.  For the NSA or some other government entity or even another company to get the information, it would have to be transmitted to M$.  They in turn would have to store these massive amounts of data.  THat's a shit ton of info to make a guess that they THINK you like green over red.



WiiBox3 on 08 October 2013
Damnyouall said:

I am really glad that at least one other person in this thread got it, despite the best efforts of our resident shills and corporate apologists. :D
Good going, Xenostar!

Why indeed should a fricking video game console use an infrared 3D camera to mine commercially usable personal data? Correct answer: It shouldn't.

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This is just rude blindly calling people "shills and corporate apologists" because they do not blindly agree with your posts. This just shows that you are just interested in ranting not a discussion.



Hornet303 on 08 October 2013
WiiBox3 said:
Hornet303 said:

This actually is a pretty big deal in my eyes.  Never has there been a camera in your house where most of the people will congregate and have the "potential" for capturing a TON of information.  It could "potentially" know who you are, what colors you like to wear.  How much weight you've gained in the past month.  Whether you're sick or you're healthy. What you smoke, what you drink, what you eat, what time you go to bed, what time you wake up etc..  Sure this can be used for good, but could potentially be used for gain.

I also MS has filed for : http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-11-06-microsoft-applies-for-pay-per-viewer-patent

Now if you want to buy an MMA fight for you and your friends, maybe instead of 40 bux, its now 120 cause they can count how many viewers are watching.

I am for data collection.  It has many useful purposes, but willingly putting something in your home for someone to potentially watch is concerning.  What if police/FBI/NSA corner MS because they believe someone commited a crime.  We'll maybe they're not using that info for advertising, but hmm, we have all the above details about these people, we better turn it over.

What about the current Kinect or the PS Eye?

As for the advertising patent, companies apply for patents all of the time. Most patents are never used. If they started charging for PPV this way, people would unplug the XBO and find another way to watch the content.

Yeah Im not really doing a comparison with other technologies.  Any camera in your house with a network connected to it could do something similar.  I dont have a Gen 1 Kinect (do have a 360), nor a PSEye (do have a PS3).  Im not a tin-foil hat type of guy and generally dont have a lot to hide from, but I do get annoyed by advertising.  Some people can watch TV for a few hours watching 15-20 minutes of commercials an hour w/o hesistating, but I find it annoying.  You're right about the patent and unconnecting Kinect if its going to count people watching. 

I guess it all comes down to how tastefully its done.  If the data never leaves your xbox, thats at least sounds nice.  Someone will surely span a network port and run wireshark on the mirrored port to see what gets transmitted back to MS.  If they default the advertising to OFF and turn data collection submittal to OFF by default then thats a step in the right direction.  If its all turned on, they're betting on folks not paying attention (and there are a lot of people like that) and they can make some good $$ on the folks that dont realize they're being targeted.

Again, this isnt a Sony vs Microsoft response, its about any company that wants to put a super smart networked camera in your living room.



WiiBox3 on 08 October 2013
Hornet303 said:
WiiBox3 said:
Hornet303 said:

This actually is a pretty big deal in my eyes.  Never has there been a camera in your house where most of the people will congregate and have the "potential" for capturing a TON of information.  It could "potentially" know who you are, what colors you like to wear.  How much weight you've gained in the past month.  Whether you're sick or you're healthy. What you smoke, what you drink, what you eat, what time you go to bed, what time you wake up etc..  Sure this can be used for good, but could potentially be used for gain.

I also MS has filed for : http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-11-06-microsoft-applies-for-pay-per-viewer-patent

Now if you want to buy an MMA fight for you and your friends, maybe instead of 40 bux, its now 120 cause they can count how many viewers are watching.

I am for data collection.  It has many useful purposes, but willingly putting something in your home for someone to potentially watch is concerning.  What if police/FBI/NSA corner MS because they believe someone commited a crime.  We'll maybe they're not using that info for advertising, but hmm, we have all the above details about these people, we better turn it over.

What about the current Kinect or the PS Eye?

As for the advertising patent, companies apply for patents all of the time. Most patents are never used. If they started charging for PPV this way, people would unplug the XBO and find another way to watch the content.

Yeah Im not really doing a comparison with other technologies.  Any camera in your house with a network connected to it could do something similar.  I dont have a Gen 1 Kinect (do have a 360), nor a PSEye (do have a PS3).  Im not a tin-foil hat type of guy and generally dont have a lot to hide from, but I do get annoyed by advertising.  Some people can watch TV for a few hours watching 15-20 minutes of commercials an hour w/o hesistating, but I find it annoying.  You're right about the patent and unconnecting Kinect if its going to count people watching. 

I guess it all comes down to how tastefully its done.  If the data never leaves your xbox, thats at least sounds nice.  Someone will surely span a network port and run wireshark on the mirrored port to see what gets transmitted back to MS.  If they default the advertising to OFF and turn data collection submittal to OFF by default then thats a step in the right direction.  If its all turned on, they're betting on folks not paying attention (and there are a lot of people like that) and they can make some good $$ on the folks that dont realize they're being targeted.

Again, this isnt a Sony vs Microsoft response, its about any company that wants to put a super smart networked camera in your living room.


Thanks for the clarification. You are right that there will be users looking into what data is sent to and from the console and we will have a better understanding of all of the speculation.