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JazzB1987 on 30 September 2013
phinch1 said:
JazzB1987 said:
PSvita forced memory cards = pro consumer then?


just as much as microsofts exclusive HDD for the 360


Which you dont even need if you own a flash drive. And even if you would need HDDs you can avoid official MS products  by buying western digital harddrives and china HDD cases that cost 1 dollar. 

Voila 360 harddrive.

BTW a harddrive is not mandatory like the memory card in the vita is  so  its 2 different scenarios.



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petroleo on 30 September 2013

bravo !



Max King of the Wild on 30 September 2013
landguy1 said:

Logic???

No one has stated that the Bluray wan't the next step in evolution of the disc drive systems.  All that has been stated is that it wasn't needed last gen for a GAME system.  No need to bring up movies, as that is not a GAME system requirement.  The whole point that people knock on the Kinect being added into the XB1 is that it is not a requirement, it is an additional thing that is not needed for a GAME system.

But a disc drive is needed so whoever said that is wrong. Unless you are going all digital which it isnt time for yet... so it is needed



PeterSilenced on 30 September 2013
JoeTheBro said:
PeterSilenced said:

Games that arent camera related can very easily or more easily be camera related improving various aspects of them that is if the camera is included in every box .

Frankly its a promise a bet for the consumer but if it goes right devs will see value (especially indies) and unique titles will start appearing,titles that would had never existed with just the decision of not having the camera in every box so in the end gamers win core gamers at that.

 

Eh I don't subscribe to that train of thought anymore. Every big multiplat game still has the PS4 and Wii U to consider so Kinect features will always be non integral to gameplay, even with it being included. Also it will be pretty easy for devs to port Kinect features like voice commands and head tracking to the PS4 versions, even though the PS4 camera isn't included.

Look at motion control in the DS4. That was forced on every system, yet hardly any games use it. Kinect v1 wasn't forced on every system, yet that received tons of support and most big titles had "better with kinect" features.

I think it really just depends on the quality of the peripheral. A great one doesn't need to be packed in to get great support. A bad one will get bad support regardless of being forced or not.

A 300 dollars device will never be adopted on top of another 300 dollar machine no matter the quality, the kinect v1 had great support but most of the games sucked because the bet in it by 3rd parties wasnt big enough and MS failed to showcase the kinect v1 in that regard too the solution is to implement it in every box.Bigger crowd=Bigger bet=More complex use of the platform.

Porting will be an option but dont expect the same quality or depth for example i dont see ps4 doing these.

-Identifying the player in split screen mode so that each has the screen of their controller

-Quick navigation and finding via voice (could eventually use)

-Reading heartbeat ideal for fitness or horror games

-Activating pre paid codes by just looking at it  (no longer need to input a long bar of activation codes)

-See in the dark

-6 people tracking

-3rd parties have actually  shown interest in the platform -BF4 ,Kojima, that game company ,COD ,Harmonix . where is the ps4 camera support just playroom?

 



TruckOSaurus on 30 September 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
landguy1 said:

Logic???

No one has stated that the Bluray wan't the next step in evolution of the disc drive systems.  All that has been stated is that it wasn't needed last gen for a GAME system.  No need to bring up movies, as that is not a GAME system requirement.  The whole point that people knock on the Kinect being added into the XB1 is that it is not a requirement, it is an additional thing that is not needed for a GAME system.

But a disc drive is needed so whoever said that is wrong. Unless you are going all digital which it isnt time for yet... so it is needed

Yes but a DVD drive would have sufficed.



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Max King of the Wild on 30 September 2013
TruckOSaurus said:
Max King of the Wild said:
landguy1 said:

Logic???

No one has stated that the Bluray wan't the next step in evolution of the disc drive systems.  All that has been stated is that it wasn't needed last gen for a GAME system.  No need to bring up movies, as that is not a GAME system requirement.  The whole point that people knock on the Kinect being added into the XB1 is that it is not a requirement, it is an additional thing that is not needed for a GAME system.

But a disc drive is needed so whoever said that is wrong. Unless you are going all digital which it isnt time for yet... so it is needed

Yes but a DVD drive would have sufficed.

Look, we are going in circles here and you lost. Just accept that



landguy1 on 30 September 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Max King of the Wild said:
landguy1 said:

Logic???

No one has stated that the Bluray wan't the next step in evolution of the disc drive systems.  All that has been stated is that it wasn't needed last gen for a GAME system.  No need to bring up movies, as that is not a GAME system requirement.  The whole point that people knock on the Kinect being added into the XB1 is that it is not a requirement, it is an additional thing that is not needed for a GAME system.

But a disc drive is needed so whoever said that is wrong. Unless you are going all digital which it isnt time for yet... so it is needed

Yes but a DVD drive would have sufficed.

Look, we are going in circles here and you lost. Just accept that


Huh?  The bluray cost about $100 per unit more than a DVD drive.  That means that sony made that CHOICE for us.  They must be anti-consumer then.



TruckOSaurus on 30 September 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
TruckOSaurus said:

Yes but a DVD drive would have sufficed.

Look, we are going in circles here and you lost. Just accept that

Yeah sure, if you wanna believe that.



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burninmylight on 30 September 2013

If Sony is really about being pro consumer, then why did it make the Vita have those expensive proprietary memory cards? Why not issue an update or release a newer model that allows it to use common, off-the-shelf SD cards and memory sticks?



Max King of the Wild on 30 September 2013
landguy1 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Max King of the Wild said:
landguy1 said:

Logic???

No one has stated that the Bluray wan't the next step in evolution of the disc drive systems.  All that has been stated is that it wasn't needed last gen for a GAME system.  No need to bring up movies, as that is not a GAME system requirement.  The whole point that people knock on the Kinect being added into the XB1 is that it is not a requirement, it is an additional thing that is not needed for a GAME system.

But a disc drive is needed so whoever said that is wrong. Unless you are going all digital which it isnt time for yet... so it is needed

Yes but a DVD drive would have sufficed.

Look, we are going in circles here and you lost. Just accept that


Huh?  The bluray cost about $100 per unit more than a DVD drive.  That means that sony made that CHOICE for us.  They must be anti-consumer then.

You are acting like an idiot. (Kantor:  "Acting like an idiot. Subtle difference, plus he went on to explain why. it fell just short of being modworthy.")

First of all, no one said MS is being anti-consumer (except a terrible journalist) with the camera. Secondly, the blu-ray drive didn't cost $100 more. And finally, we go back to the thismientel's point. By that logic we shouldn't have 4gbs of RAM since it's more expensive than 4 and the Wii U proves that you just need 1gb.