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Socialism is a cancer. With that said it is alive and well in the United States.

Socialism discourages REAL charity and giving. Socialism enslaves the productive citizenry and makes them subject to the recipient class while simultaneously propping up the statist politicians who take every advantage for themselves while expempting themselves from the very programs they endorse. Why do you think the politicians aren't taking part in our precious Affordable Health Care Act along with the commoners and unions and big corporations are seeking exemptions or waivers and for the most art getting them? Because they all know it will suck and they are much too important to have to wait for rationed care. Socialism doesn't so much take care of those that are in need as much as it breeds dependancy and creates division amonst the populous.

Socialism is for the people not the socialist. All hail the recipient!

So, Socialism may be alive and well but I personally would love to see it die a quick death so we could get on with real progress.



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Goatseye said:
MikeRox said:
Goatseye said:

I lived in multiple countries and I'm in a position to deduce this. Cost of life is way more expensive and agressive here.


I wasn't questioning whether it was true or false. It's just seriously wow.

I never seen so much struggle to live in a developed country like I do in US. And here there's no neighbors or family to help you out.

In other countries there's a sense of community and cooperation. Not here, if you need something and you don't have money you're effed.

Here they make money off of despair, high interest rates on loans and private penitenciaries for absurd free slave labor profit.

We used to have that here in the states. There used to be a focus on family and we used to have things called Mutual Aid Societies etc. to help create community based healthcare and the like. But the socialists and progressives back in the early 1900s created welfare to seperate the family unit ( fathers had to leave home to allow their spouses to collect benefits). The socilist agenda has converted reliance on family, church and community to reliance on government funding. This has not only split families but communities along all lines.

It's a real shame too.



-CraZed- said:

Socialism is a cancer. With that said it is alive and well in the United States.

Socialism discourages REAL charity and giving. Socialism enslaves the productive citizenry and makes them subject to the recipient class while simultaneously propping up the statist politicians who take every advantage for themselves while expempting themselves from the very programs they endorse. Why do you think the politicians aren't taking part in our precious Affordable Health Care Act along with the commoners and unions and big corporations are seeking exemptions or waivers and for the most art getting them? Because they all know it will suck and they are much too important to have to wait for rationed care. Socialism doesn't so much take care of those that are in need as much as it breeds dependancy and creates division amonst the populous.

Socialism is for the people not the socialist. All hail the recipient!

So, Socialism may be alive and well but I personally would love to see it die a quick death so we could get on with real progress.

When people discuss socialism versus capitalism they usually use ideal as example for the first and the worst real life examples for the second, never the opposite, so you know why they keep getting bigger (human beings preffer to blame others for their short comings).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

-CraZed- said:

Socialism is a cancer. With that said it is alive and well in the United States.

Socialism discourages REAL charity and giving. Socialism enslaves the productive citizenry and makes them subject to the recipient class while simultaneously propping up the statist politicians who take every advantage for themselves while expempting themselves from the very programs they endorse. Why do you think the politicians aren't taking part in our precious Affordable Health Care Act along with the commoners and unions and big corporations are seeking exemptions or waivers and for the most art getting them? Because they all know it will suck and they are much too important to have to wait for rationed care. Socialism doesn't so much take care of those that are in need as much as it breeds dependancy and creates division amonst the populous.

Socialism is for the people not the socialist. All hail the recipient!

So, Socialism may be alive and well but I personally would love to see it die a quick death so we could get on with real progress.

I feel like you don't fully get what Socialism is.  So, for your sake, I fetched you a definition.

socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources. According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another. Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it. Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control property for the benefit of all its members.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/551569/socialism



DonFerrari said:
-CraZed- said:

Socialism is a cancer. With that said it is alive and well in the United States.

Socialism discourages REAL charity and giving. Socialism enslaves the productive citizenry and makes them subject to the recipient class while simultaneously propping up the statist politicians who take every advantage for themselves while expempting themselves from the very programs they endorse. Why do you think the politicians aren't taking part in our precious Affordable Health Care Act along with the commoners and unions and big corporations are seeking exemptions or waivers and for the most art getting them? Because they all know it will suck and they are much too important to have to wait for rationed care. Socialism doesn't so much take care of those that are in need as much as it breeds dependancy and creates division amonst the populous.

Socialism is for the people not the socialist. All hail the recipient!

So, Socialism may be alive and well but I personally would love to see it die a quick death so we could get on with real progress.

When people discuss socialism versus capitalism they usually use ideal as example for the first and the worst real life examples for the second, never the opposite, so you know why they keep getting bigger (human beings preffer to blame others for their short comings).

You are very much correct. I personally like to look at both from a real world view. In the United States we have so much available food because of Capitalism and the advent of the low profit margin Supermarket that we now measure hunger with terms like 'food insecurity' and 'food deserts' etc. In other countries they where real hunger is present they still measure starvation as an example.

My point is that most people would prefer to be poor in the United States over any other place on Earth.

To be poor in a capitalist country > poor or even middle class in any other country.



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MDMAlliance said:
-CraZed- said:

Socialism is a cancer. With that said it is alive and well in the United States.

Socialism discourages REAL charity and giving. Socialism enslaves the productive citizenry and makes them subject to the recipient class while simultaneously propping up the statist politicians who take every advantage for themselves while expempting themselves from the very programs they endorse. Why do you think the politicians aren't taking part in our precious Affordable Health Care Act along with the commoners and unions and big corporations are seeking exemptions or waivers and for the most art getting them? Because they all know it will suck and they are much too important to have to wait for rationed care. Socialism doesn't so much take care of those that are in need as much as it breeds dependancy and creates division amonst the populous.

Socialism is for the people not the socialist. All hail the recipient!

So, Socialism may be alive and well but I personally would love to see it die a quick death so we could get on with real progress.

I feel like you don't fully get what Socialism is.  So, for your sake, I fetched you a definition.

socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources. According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another. Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it. Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control property for the benefit of all its members.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/551569/socialism


Just what I said... and we see all the good it idea have caused in Russia, China, Vietnan, Cuba, Venezuela (and is trying to cause in Brazil)... if you can stay away from this disease, the only game I can remember that came from a socialist country was Tetris... they are the real enemy...

People lets not argue which is the best gaming system (sony, ms, ninty, valve, google, apple, etc), but agree that the best economical model for game is capitalism.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

MDMAlliance said:
-CraZed- said:

Socialism is a cancer. With that said it is alive and well in the United States.

Socialism discourages REAL charity and giving. Socialism enslaves the productive citizenry and makes them subject to the recipient class while simultaneously propping up the statist politicians who take every advantage for themselves while expempting themselves from the very programs they endorse. Why do you think the politicians aren't taking part in our precious Affordable Health Care Act along with the commoners and unions and big corporations are seeking exemptions or waivers and for the most art getting them? Because they all know it will suck and they are much too important to have to wait for rationed care. Socialism doesn't so much take care of those that are in need as much as it breeds dependancy and creates division amonst the populous.

Socialism is for the people not the socialist. All hail the recipient!

So, Socialism may be alive and well but I personally would love to see it die a quick death so we could get on with real progress.

I feel like you don't fully get what Socialism is.  So, for your sake, I fetched you a definition.

socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources. According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another. Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it. Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control property for the benefit of all its members.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/551569/socialism

I know exactly what socialism is. Welfare, socialized medicine, etc. etc. are all Socialism in its basic form. Confiscating capital through taxation to redistribute it to others for the sake of paying for their basic needs is the VERY definition of Socialism. Thank you for contributing though. :)



-CraZed- said:
DonFerrari said:
-CraZed- said:

Socialism is a cancer. With that said it is alive and well in the United States.

Socialism discourages REAL charity and giving. Socialism enslaves the productive citizenry and makes them subject to the recipient class while simultaneously propping up the statist politicians who take every advantage for themselves while expempting themselves from the very programs they endorse. Why do you think the politicians aren't taking part in our precious Affordable Health Care Act along with the commoners and unions and big corporations are seeking exemptions or waivers and for the most art getting them? Because they all know it will suck and they are much too important to have to wait for rationed care. Socialism doesn't so much take care of those that are in need as much as it breeds dependancy and creates division amonst the populous.

Socialism is for the people not the socialist. All hail the recipient!

So, Socialism may be alive and well but I personally would love to see it die a quick death so we could get on with real progress.

When people discuss socialism versus capitalism they usually use ideal as example for the first and the worst real life examples for the second, never the opposite, so you know why they keep getting bigger (human beings preffer to blame others for their short comings).

You are very much correct. I personally like to look at both from a real world view. In the United States we have so much available food because of Capitalism and the advent of the low profit margin Supermarket that we now measure hunger with terms like 'food insecurity' and 'food deserts' etc. In other countries they where real hunger is present they still measure starvation as an example.

My point is that most people would prefer to be poor in the United States over any other place on Earth.

To be poor in a capitalist country > poor or even middle class in any other country.

In Brazil we have a program called "Fome Zero" (Zero Hunger)... and If we compare the poor in rich country to middle class in poor country it's obvious which is better... and there is studies about how much better a poor people have it today than rich people along the eras...

And in Cuba they make line to buy toilet paper, and in Russia you had to wait several years to buy a car.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

-CraZed- said:
MDMAlliance said:
-CraZed- said:

Socialism is a cancer. With that said it is alive and well in the United States.

Socialism discourages REAL charity and giving. Socialism enslaves the productive citizenry and makes them subject to the recipient class while simultaneously propping up the statist politicians who take every advantage for themselves while expempting themselves from the very programs they endorse. Why do you think the politicians aren't taking part in our precious Affordable Health Care Act along with the commoners and unions and big corporations are seeking exemptions or waivers and for the most art getting them? Because they all know it will suck and they are much too important to have to wait for rationed care. Socialism doesn't so much take care of those that are in need as much as it breeds dependancy and creates division amonst the populous.

Socialism is for the people not the socialist. All hail the recipient!

So, Socialism may be alive and well but I personally would love to see it die a quick death so we could get on with real progress.

I feel like you don't fully get what Socialism is.  So, for your sake, I fetched you a definition.

socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources. According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another. Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it. Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control property for the benefit of all its members.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/551569/socialism

I know exactly what socialism is. Welfare, socialized medicine, etc. etc. are all Socialism in its basic form. Confiscating capital through taxation to redistribute it to others for the sake of paying for their basic needs is the VERY definition of Socialism. Thank you for contributing though. :)


I don't like tax (around 44% of our GDP), but i rather have this light socialism than live in cuba...

we all know how much socialist government care about people.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
MDMAlliance said:
-CraZed- said:

Socialism is a cancer. With that said it is alive and well in the United States.

Socialism discourages REAL charity and giving. Socialism enslaves the productive citizenry and makes them subject to the recipient class while simultaneously propping up the statist politicians who take every advantage for themselves while expempting themselves from the very programs they endorse. Why do you think the politicians aren't taking part in our precious Affordable Health Care Act along with the commoners and unions and big corporations are seeking exemptions or waivers and for the most art getting them? Because they all know it will suck and they are much too important to have to wait for rationed care. Socialism doesn't so much take care of those that are in need as much as it breeds dependancy and creates division amonst the populous.

Socialism is for the people not the socialist. All hail the recipient!

So, Socialism may be alive and well but I personally would love to see it die a quick death so we could get on with real progress.

I feel like you don't fully get what Socialism is.  So, for your sake, I fetched you a definition.

socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources. According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another. Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it. Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control property for the benefit of all its members.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/551569/socialism


Just what I said... and we see all the good it idea have caused in Russia, China, Vietnan, Cuba, Venezuela (and is trying to cause in Brazil)... if you can stay away from this disease, the only game I can remember that came from a socialist country was Tetris... they are the real enemy...

People lets not argue which is the best gaming system (sony, ms, ninty, valve, google, apple, etc), but agree that the best economical model for game is capitalism.


So many things wrong with what you said.  Russia, China, Cuba?  (I don't know about the situation in Vietnam or Venezuela)  If you are saying that no "good" came out of Socialism, that's wrong.  Russia, China, and Cuba are not Socialist, nor were they Communist.  They do not fit the descriptions of either, but rather follow the model to reach towards the GOAL of Communism and/or Socialism.  According to Marx, that requires the whole Totalitarian ruler.  However, Socialism and Communism would NOT have such a political leader.  Communism specifically wouldn't even HAVE one.  

Good things that came out of Socialism are plenty and if I have to name some of the good things that came out of Socialism, I'd be glad to.  

Oh, and I know that a Capitalist economic model is best for gaming, but there are downsides and there are pretty much no purely Capitalist states in the world save for maybe one or two.