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Baalzamon said:
Aielyn said:
Right. And SNAP, for a household of 4, allows the entire household to earn no more than $2498 a month. You suggest living, yourself, on just under HALF of that. You are nowhere near living on the kind of budget that the people SNAP is targetted at have access to.

Can you entertain me a reasoning as to how they are unable to earn that much? Because 1200 a month is what you will earn full time even at a minimum wage job...and let me tell you, minimum wage jobs are available. Or are you suggesting that it is somebody's inherent right to live in a home on their own?

Also, you are suggesting it as if I had a family of 4 I would be living on 1200*4=4800 per month...that is in NO WAY whatsoever the truth. Many things on my budget would be the exact same if I had 4 people (I actually probably wouldn't own a car at all and would be taking the bus to places).

There are some minimum wage jobs out there... but how many of those jobs are full time? Most minimum wage jobs tend to be casual or, at best, part time. More than half of minimum wage jobs are in food preparation and service. How often would these be full time jobs, do you think?

What's more, many can't GET full time minimum wage jobs, for various reasons. Some are literally incapable of working 40 hours a week (whether due to frailty, illness, or handicap). Others don't have access to such jobs to begin with.

You also haven't factored in income taxes. In North Carolina, if you work 40 hours a week at minimum wage, after taxes, you're on just over $1000 a month.

75% of the jobs created in 2013 so far have been part-time jobs. Consider that, as a result, many of the people you're disparaging so easily are actually working more than one job just to survive, and STILL aren't above the poverty rate. And people who live in those sorts of conditions typically have more health problems, which only makes the stress on their budget even harder.

As for the "family of 4", you don't seem to understand - it's not about whether you live in a family - it's a HOUSEHOLD of 4. If you live with 3 other people, you operate as a household of 4 as far as programs like SNAP are concerned. And if each of you operate your own budget based on how much you make, and you all make about the same amount ($1200 per month), then your household is on $4800 per month. That is nowhere near the poverty level for a household of 4. Note that you're splitting rent, some of the utilities costs, and likely some food, gas, and entertainment costs.

The point of things like SNAP is to help people like, for instance, a single mother with three children (which needn't be due to any fault on her part - suppose her husband died and she was a housewife before that). Or an elderly couple living on social security. Or a disabled person who is only physically capable of working, say, 20 hours a week. This is why only about 20% of households on SNAP are single-person households. And something like half of those are for people who have zero gross income - note that SNAP only allows such people to get food stamps for 3 months before being cut off.

But hey, you're able to live with 3 other people with your own personal income at what would be the poverty level for a person living alone, and managing to eat one meal that has meat in it. So clearly people who are in such dire circumstances MUST be lazy good-for-nothings who are mooching off real Americans, right?



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MDMAlliance said:
DonFerrari said:
MDMAlliance said:
fatslob-:O said:

The way I see it now, we're only bleeding money so it makes sense to cut alot of costs and expenses while lowering taxes too so that congress doesn't abuse it by increasing their own paychecks. :P

I'm not going to put it against you for not knowing this, but higher taxes and spending don't go to increasing Congressmen's paychecks.  Almost all, if not all, of the members of Congress (more specifically the Senate, the more powerful of the two) are rich.  Rich as in millionaires.  The pay that they get, even if you were to decrease their pay to almost nothing... it would account for a negligible part of our debt.  And even if you believe we are overspending in some areas, since the money is already dedicated to those areas someone is going to see the consequences of the cut pay.  I know that an argument against this is that the economy will be spurred by the cut taxes.  That idea, however, is just a theory on what could happen.  If it doesn't happen, things just get much worse.

Put source of how much the senate and congress spend on their wages and functional costs... here it costs a small fortune (some Billion Dollars each house).

Don't know about "functional cost" (that would be one that can't be helped), but their wages on average put together is somewhere around $100m total for a year.  Source?  
You can easily find online there are 535 members of Congress, and this source tells you the average pay they get http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/congresspay.htm


We expend 6 billion reais (3 billion dollars) just with senate and congress (discounting all the state and municipal houses and all executive and miniteries).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Yes cut it. Every dollar given out comes from somewhere.
Sources of money:
Somebody elses pocket
Barrowing from other countries (which must be paid with interest)
Printing Money (Devalues our currancy)

An increase in either of these destabilizes our economy. Making it more difficult for job creators to expand (hire more people) or even maintain the current work force.

We need to cut not just entitlement programs though. Defense needs to be cut back as well. We don't (and shouldn't be envolved in every event around the planet. I belive it was Theodore Roosevelt who said, "Tread lightly,but carry a big stick" We kind of trample everything right now.

Social security was ment to make sure people didn't run out of money in there later years, not to be a full fledge retirement program. Back when the program was created you didn't get benefits until age 65. Average life expectancy was 67. It was also predicated on an expanding population. Population growth by generations has been shrinking. The sooner changes are made the less painful it will be.



DonFerrari said:
MDMAlliance said:
DonFerrari said:

Put source of how much the senate and congress spend on their wages and functional costs... here it costs a small fortune (some Billion Dollars each house).

Don't know about "functional cost" (that would be one that can't be helped), but their wages on average put together is somewhere around $100m total for a year.  Source?  
You can easily find online there are 535 members of Congress, and this source tells you the average pay they get http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/congresspay.htm


We expend 6 billion reais (3 billion dollars) just with senate and congress (discounting all the state and municipal houses and all executive and miniteries).


Here in the United States, that's not much at all.  Our deficit is like $1 trillion a year.



MDMAlliance said:
DonFerrari said:
MDMAlliance said:
DonFerrari said:

Put source of how much the senate and congress spend on their wages and functional costs... here it costs a small fortune (some Billion Dollars each house).

Don't know about "functional cost" (that would be one that can't be helped), but their wages on average put together is somewhere around $100m total for a year.  Source?  
You can easily find online there are 535 members of Congress, and this source tells you the average pay they get http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/congresspay.htm


We expend 6 billion reais (3 billion dollars) just with senate and congress (discounting all the state and municipal houses and all executive and miniteries).


Here in the United States, that's not much at all.  Our deficit is like $1 trillion a year.

Yep, here my greatest concerne isn't their wages, but more the corruption and really in the end the bad use of money... They collect more than 500 billion dollars every year here (almost 40% of GDP on tx... 20y ago was below 25%) and we never see the benefits, just "rights" and socialist programs that they use to deviate even more money, sadly.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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For those who live under rocks and/or keep there head in the sand. It doesn't matter if we are a republic, democratic, socialistic or a communistic society. Politicians are only there for themselves. Most if not all are corrupt. You will get more or less the same outcome. Polticians enriching themselves by crony-capitalism, Military-industrial complex. They will keep themselves in power by buying votes with programs. LBJ started the war on poverty, notice how poverty has only gone up? Pay people to do nothing, and you will get more people doing nothing. If politicians vote to increase entitlements, they insure the poor vote for themselves. Thus locking us into a vicious cycle.



if socialism was endangered then it is good for america as it will prosper again