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zorg1000 on 20 September 2013
Kane1389 said:
zorg1000 said:
Kane1389 said:
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History my dear Watson... History, ps1 and ps2 kicking Nintendo's ass is what I use to back my argument anything else is invalid


I think PS4 will for sure outsell Wii U in lifetime sales but by Mar 31 is rediculous and alot of people are claiming it will. What makes u think Wii U will only sell about 1 million units this holiday?


It barely sells over 20k per week (lower than GameCube?)

Its being outsold by a PS3 5 to 1

The demand for next gen is huge (1M+ PS4 preorders 3 months before launch)

Less value compared to next gen products

Less value compared to last gen products

Im glad u brought up GC sales. From Mar-June 2003, Nintendo shipped 80k Gamecubes(1/2 of Wii U shipments in the same time frame of this year) yet they were still able to ship 3.5m over the holidays.

...with 99$ price point? Ok, so its a t gamecube levels, much better

Every next gen console that is first to hit the market is outsold by the previous gen at first. Genesis was being outsold by NES,SNES was outsellig NES

 Saturn/PS1 were being outsold by SNES I believe this is wrong

 DC was getttng outsold by N64/PS1, DC was a failure

PS3/360 were being outsold by PS2, Wii was outselling PS2

DS/PSng P were getting outsold by GBA fair enough, was it by 5:1 margain?

, 3DS was getting outsold by DS, Vita was getting outsold by PSP. DS was a beast, Vita is a failure

The demand for next gen is always huge, Dreamcast set records when it launched then was discontinued 18 months later. Launch sales are no indication of total success. The closest console Dreamcast can be comapred to is WiiU...

Value is completely opinion, Wii U has 8 exclusives coming in the next 3 months that are from multimillion selling franchises and is $100-200 cheaper than PS4/One, comes with a game and has free online. Many people will see that as a better value, especially Nintendo fans, casuals and parents. Nintendo fans will already buy WiiU no matter what? Casuals? That ship has abbandoned nintendo's dock a long time ago.

Many people will see PS4/One as a better value due to increased graphics, large storage, best versions of multiplats, blu ray playback. It just comes down to individual preference. I was talking about objective hardware aspects. For 100$ more, you'll get a blu ray/dvd player, much bigger storage, much more advanced hardware, all other multimedia tasks (music, photos, etc..) 



Yes it was $99 vs $179 and Wii U is $299 vs $399/499

Take not of how I said FIRST next gen console to hit market was outsold by previous gen. That means ur SNES and Wii argument is moot.

My point about DC setting records is just to show that a console can start off strong then sales plummet.

There is nothing to prove that casuals will not return once the right titles are released. Obviously it wont be to the same extent as Wii but a decent amount may return. We will see.

As for Bluray/storage, for some that doesnt matter. Many households have multiple bluray/DVD players, I personally have a PS3 in the living room and a DVD player in the bedroom so I have no need for another bluray player. If u download gammes digitallly then yes the increased storage adds value butfor the millions of people who prefer retail it doesnt add anything. Wii U also has many multimeda and social features, Netflix, Hulu, Miiverse, TVii.

And last of all, I think PS4/One will both pass Wii U but doing it by Mar 31 is almost impossible.



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CronosIvan on 20 September 2013

Xbox one has no ooportunity to do it, Ps4 has an oportunity to match it, but just ie wii u makes it horrbly, but that won´t happen, Ps4 will have sold better before summer 2014, xbox one until 2014 holidays, beliave me



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zorg1000 on 20 September 2013
fatslob-:O said:
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Link to the Past remake sold 2.7m which is like 60% of the original so that shows some consistancy when it comes to Zelda remakes. Even tho u claim Wind Waker isnt the best Zelda, it still sold 4.6m which is the same as LttP which is considered by many to be the best and was on a console with over double the sales of GC.

u didnt answer why u think 3D Mario and Zelda are declining

Not sure If I can count zelda four swords a remake, it's more of a rerelease with more added content if you ask me and the reason I say zelda is declining is because skyward sword did 3.7mil compared to twilight princess pulling in 8.3mil(counting gc sales too) and that right there is a drop off of 4.5MILLION compared to say the drop off from zelda OOT to majora's mask with about 4mil. 

3D mario has been declining otherwise SMG 2 saled a fair bit less compared to the first even though they were both crtically acclaimed the gap was about 3.5mil.

What you don't understand is that people would want 2D mario with ambition rather than 3D mario for the developers to self indulge.

Why are u bringin up 4 Swords? GBA had a rerelease of LttP.

Also u dont just look at the most recent title to show if a series is declining. Like I said, the second Zelda always sells significantly less than the first released on a console. Zelda-6.5m, Zelda 2-4.4m, OoT-7.6m, MM-3.6m, TP-6.8m(8.3 both versions), SS-3.3m. That is fairly consistant and Skyward Sowrd required an add-on and was released when Wii was already in sever decline.

3D Mario has not been declining my last post shows u how it has stayed consistant for over 15 years.

You realize that mario 64 sold around 12mil with a much smaller audience and on the wii the first 3D mario did 10.8mil and this time it went down to 7mil with a much bigger install base. You know that the mainstream doesn't desire 3D mario but that is why NSMBWii outsold both SMG and SMG 2. Now can you admit that nobody but 3D mario fans want these games.

Some series have a consistant fanbase despite install base, 3D Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda, Metroid, Kirby all sell generally the same whether they are on a console with a 20m or 100m install base.

U are the king of bringing up shit that has nothing to do with what we are talking about. What does 2D Mario have anything to do with our conversation? This debate started as me asking how PS4/One can pass Wii U lifetime sales by the end of the fiscal year, in order for that to happen, Wii U would have to sell about 1m over the holidays and there is no chance they only sell that much.

 

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fatslob-:O on 20 September 2013
zorg1000 said:

Some series have a consistant fanbase despite install base, 3D Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda, Metroid, Kirby all sell generally the same whether they are on a console with a 20m or 100m install base.

U are the king of bringing up shit that has nothing to do with what we are talking about. What does 2D Mario have anything to do with our conversation? This debate started as me asking how PS4/One can pass Wii U lifetime sales by the end of the fiscal year, in order for that to happen, Wii U would have to sell about 1m over the holidays and there is no chance they only sell that much.

You overestimate the strength of 3D mario to simply put 3D mario isn't enough for nintendo and then they have to face other competition like GT and so there goes the power from donkey kong. 

Off-topic: You might want to bring your flaming down a little bit because calling me "the king of bringing shit" is just over the top.



zorg1000 on 20 September 2013
fatslob-:O said:
zorg1000 said:

Some series have a consistant fanbase despite install base, 3D Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda, Metroid, Kirby all sell generally the same whether they are on a console with a 20m or 100m install base.

U are the king of bringing up shit that has nothing to do with what we are talking about. What does 2D Mario have anything to do with our conversation? This debate started as me asking how PS4/One can pass Wii U lifetime sales by the end of the fiscal year, in order for that to happen, Wii U would have to sell about 1m over the holidays and there is no chance they only sell that much.

You overestimate the strength of 3D mario to simply put 3D mario isn't enough for nintendo and then they have to face other competition like GT and so there goes the power from donkey kong. 

Off-topic: You might want to bring your flaming down a little bit because calling me "the king of bringing shit" is just over the top.

Ur right that was uncalled for but u have to admit alot of ur points are completely irrelevent. Idk why ur singling out 3D Mario again, I already pointed out that from Oct-Dec Wii U is getting 8 exclusives that belong to series that have always sold in the millions. Just out of curiousity what is ur prediction for Wii U sales by March 31?



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fatslob-:O on 20 September 2013
zorg1000 said:
fatslob-:O said:
zorg1000 said:

Some series have a consistant fanbase despite install base, 3D Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda, Metroid, Kirby all sell generally the same whether they are on a console with a 20m or 100m install base.

U are the king of bringing up shit that has nothing to do with what we are talking about. What does 2D Mario have anything to do with our conversation? This debate started as me asking how PS4/One can pass Wii U lifetime sales by the end of the fiscal year, in order for that to happen, Wii U would have to sell about 1m over the holidays and there is no chance they only sell that much.

You overestimate the strength of 3D mario to simply put 3D mario isn't enough for nintendo and then they have to face other competition like GT and so there goes the power from donkey kong. 

Off-topic: You might want to bring your flaming down a little bit because calling me "the king of bringing shit" is just over the top.

Ur right that was uncalled for but u have to admit alot of ur points are completely irrelevent. Idk why ur singling out 3D Mario again, I already pointed out that from Oct-Dec Wii U is getting 8 exclusives that belong to series that have always sold in the millions. Just out of curiousity what is ur prediction for Wii U sales by March 31?

Right now it's at around 3.5mil according to vgchartz so I expect to sell 1.5mil. and plus I think the only real big gun is 3D mario and plus I'm not discounting the power of 3D mario but I still wonder If it will move the platform significantly considering its going to be heavy competition until feburary but by then I dont know what they will be releasing from feburary to march 2014.



PigPen on 20 September 2013
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Nintendo & Microsoft will keep turning up exclusives to the point Sony can't compete and fall behind. The exclusives will determine the winner of this generation. While the Xbox One is more powerful then the Wii U, Nintendo 1st & 2nd party games is a force to be challenged. It will come down to which console have the better exclusives.

Verdict: Either Xbox One or Wii U

So I'm not sure that either will outsell the Wii U.


Because that happened this last gen.

Yes, cause Sony had hard times last gen.  Also, lets not forget who won last gen either.

You really believe Sony did not keep up with exclusives?  

Your statement is not about who won, its about being able to produce exclusives and if you look at that last three years your statement looks silly. 


Yes, Sony kept exclusives then.  Sony selling buildings, it's in a very different space now.



WagnerPaiva on 20 September 2013

I think both systems will have bigger install bases than the WiiU by march, but, I could be wrong.



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fatslob-:O on 20 September 2013
SSJGohan3972 said:

1) Not sure why you brought up the price point but Nintendo made more money during the PS2/GC era than Sony did - and selling at a $350 price point now doing the same or better than $99 price point then would mean the Wii U is actually doing better wouldn't it?

2) SNES was not the first on the market for that gen, the Genesis was and was outsold by NES for quite a while - you are moving the goal post there.

3) SNES did outsell PS1 for a while, remember the PS1 launched in 1994 while the SNES was 3-4 years old (depending on region) and in its prime. Not sure about the N64, it actually had a pretty good launch and sold fairly well compared to NES and SNES, was only on the market for like 4-5 years though and the PS1 was ripping up the charts that's why it looks unimpressive by comparisson.

4) Yes Dreamcast turned out to be a failure but was setting sales records when it launched - it can and has happened.

5) Wii was not the first on the market, 360 was and was outsold by PS2 for quite a while- again moving the goal post. 

6) I can't speak to GBA-DS/PSP sales margins at certain times, that data is quite hard to come by. I'm sure if we had it though I could find specific weeks were that happened, wouldn't change anything though. It's an example of a last-gen outselling next-gen none-the-less.

7) Comparing the Dreamcast to Wii U has a small amount of merit but mainly only because you want it to also be Nintendo's last home console. It's extremely unlikely that will happen for a number of reasons.

8) Actually I would point to the difference between DS & Wii numbers (and 3DS and Wii U numbers) to show that a large number of Nintendo fans stick to Nintendo's handhelds and not their consoles. If Nintendo could get those people back on the console side as well that represents a large number of people to tap into. And the funny thing about casuals is that they are fickle, they play what their friends play or what they discover and find fun - they may have jumped ship when the Wii lost support and they may or may not come back but its not as black and white as you make it out to be - still a large market Nintendo is trying to tap and will hopefully have some success.

9) Incorrect use of objective, you find value in those things but others may not. Myself, I buy video game systems for the games on them - extra hardware features mean very little to me. I have a PS3 but the blu ray player in it had no weight on my decision to purchase it. He addressed that some people (and even a lot of people) will see value there but that does not make it objective.

@Bold 

I hope you realize that it was GBA that saved their asses and not the GC. 



zorg1000 on 20 September 2013
WagnerPaiva said:
I think both systems will have bigger install bases than the WiiU by march, but, I could be wrong.


Why? Wii U would have to sell only about 1m over the holidays fot that to happen.



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