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Kane1389 said:
zorg1000 said:
Kane1389 said:
zorg1000 said:
Ji99saw said:
History my dear Watson... History, ps1 and ps2 kicking Nintendo's ass is what I use to back my argument anything else is invalid


I think PS4 will for sure outsell Wii U in lifetime sales but by Mar 31 is rediculous and alot of people are claiming it will. What makes u think Wii U will only sell about 1 million units this holiday?


It barely sells over 20k per week (lower than GameCube?)

Its being outsold by a PS3 5 to 1

The demand for next gen is huge (1M+ PS4 preorders 3 months before launch)

Less value compared to next gen products

Less value compared to last gen products

Im glad u brought up GC sales. From Mar-June 2003, Nintendo shipped 80k Gamecubes(1/2 of Wii U shipments in the same time frame of this year) yet they were still able to ship 3.5m over the holidays.

...with 99$ price point? Ok, so its a t gamecube levels, much better

Every next gen console that is first to hit the market is outsold by the previous gen at first. Genesis was being outsold by NES,SNES was outsellig NES

 Saturn/PS1 were being outsold by SNES I believe this is wrong

 DC was getttng outsold by N64/PS1, DC was a failure

PS3/360 were being outsold by PS2, Wii was outselling PS2

DS/PSng P were getting outsold by GBA fair enough, was it by 5:1 margain?

, 3DS was getting outsold by DS, Vita was getting outsold by PSP. DS was a beast, Vita is a failure

The demand for next gen is always huge, Dreamcast set records when it launched then was discontinued 18 months later. Launch sales are no indication of total success. The closest console Dreamcast can be comapred to is WiiU...

Value is completely opinion, Wii U has 8 exclusives coming in the next 3 months that are from multimillion selling franchises and is $100-200 cheaper than PS4/One, comes with a game and has free online. Many people will see that as a better value, especially Nintendo fans, casuals and parents. Nintendo fans will already buy WiiU no matter what? Casuals? That ship has abbandoned nintendo's dock a long time ago.

Many people will see PS4/One as a better value due to increased graphics, large storage, best versions of multiplats, blu ray playback. It just comes down to individual preference. I was talking about objective hardware aspects. For 100$ more, you'll get a blu ray/dvd player, much bigger storage, much more advanced hardware, all other multimedia tasks (music, photos, etc..) 



Yes it was $99 vs $179 and Wii U is $299 vs $399/499

Take not of how I said FIRST next gen console to hit market was outsold by previous gen. That means ur SNES and Wii argument is moot.

My point about DC setting records is just to show that a console can start off strong then sales plummet.

There is nothing to prove that casuals will not return once the right titles are released. Obviously it wont be to the same extent as Wii but a decent amount may return. We will see.

As for Bluray/storage, for some that doesnt matter. Many households have multiple bluray/DVD players, I personally have a PS3 in the living room and a DVD player in the bedroom so I have no need for another bluray player. If u download gammes digitallly then yes the increased storage adds value butfor the millions of people who prefer retail it doesnt add anything. Wii U also has many multimeda and social features, Netflix, Hulu, Miiverse, TVii.

And last of all, I think PS4/One will both pass Wii U but doing it by Mar 31 is almost impossible.



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