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Anyone who thinks this has spent zero time looking at sales histories and even less time reading the sales predictions MSony have stated for their consoles thus far.

Its simply an impossibility.

Earliest either could pass Wii U would be by the end of 2014. However, that would require Wii levels of sales which I seriously doubt either of them can accomplish. 2013 is not impossible, just improbable.



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by march 31, wii u total sales will be higher than ps4+xone total sales by a good margin.



zorg1000 said:

I believe that both PS4 and One will pass Wii U eventually but I think it is an impossible goal for them to pass it by the end of this fiscal year. Sony plans on shipping 5m units in that time frame and with One launching in less countries and having lower pre-orders, I think its safe to say Microsoft doesnt plan on outshipping them this fiscal year but for the sake of argument lets say they plan on shipping 5m as well.

As of the end of June, Wii U has shipped 3.61m units with only 160k being from this fiscal year. I assume Nintendo has shipped more this quarter due to games like Pikmin 3, Luigi U, Wonderful 101, Scribblenauts, Splinter Cell, Disney Infinity and also a price cut at the end of the qurater to go alongside a new bundle. I think anywhere between 190-290k shipped is a realistic figure putting the total at 3.8-3.9m by the end of September.

Lets fast forward real quick to the last quarter which is Jan-Mar. If by some chance the holiday line up and price cut dont raise the baseline by much and only ships 200-300k this quarter that would bring the total to 4-4.2m shipped. Does anybody truly think that Nintendo will push out less than 800k-1m over the holidays?

From Oct-Dec Nintendo will still be fresh off the price cut and has a strong line up of high quality exclusives like Wind Waker HD, Wii Party U, Sonic Lost World, DKC Tropical Freeze, Wii Fit U, Mario & Sonic Olympics, Wii Sports Club, Mario 3D World and a few big multiplats like Assassins Creed 4, Call of Duty, Watch Dogs, Batman Arkham Origins, Skylanders, Just Dance 2014 which are a nice addition to the big exclusives. Also Nintendo is sure to start a new advertising campaign and retailers will have tons of holiday sales.

I just dont see anyway possible that Nintendo doesnt ship over 5m by the end of Mar, can anyone offer me a logical reason why they feel PS4/One will be able to pass it by then?

It's not even remotely possible. Even holiday 2014 is a stretch. The Wii U's biggest issue is software, which by this holiday it will have remedied. It'll never come close to Wii numbers, but it should have at least a few million lead over the PS4 by March 2014.



zorg1000 said:
Ji99saw said:
History my dear Watson... History, ps1 and ps2 kicking Nintendo's ass is what I use to back my argument anything else is invalid


I think PS4 will for sure outsell Wii U in lifetime sales but by Mar 31 is rediculous and alot of people are claiming it will. What makes u think Wii U will only sell about 1 million units this holiday?


It barely sells over 20k per week (lower than GameCube?)

Its being outsold by a PS3 5 to 1

The demand for next gen is huge (1M+ PS4 preorders 3 months before launch)

Less value compared to next gen products

Less value compared to last gen products



By the end of the fiscal year, PS4 should be at 5M, and Wii U between 6-7M.



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March 31st is way too soon, with Sony saying 5mill shipped by then, it confirms it won't happen.

By then though I fully expect X1 and PS4 to be at 4m+ and WiiU at 8m, so they won't be too far behind.



 

""""If the Wii U only averages 30K a week for the rest of the year, it would sell half a million units. Lets round this to a nice even 4 million units total at this rate. This is assuming the ridiculous circumstance that Wii Party U, Wii Fit U, Mario 3D World, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Wind Waker HD, a price cut, other games, and (hopefully) a marketing push have NO influence on sales.

The PS3 debuted with 670000 First Year (november december) in the US. 1,170,000 with Japanese sales. With European first two month sales, that would be just under two million. So, basically, we need a bare minimum of 2x the PS3 demand to meet the Wii U's figures. Keep in mind, we don't yet know that the PS4 will launch in Japan by the end of the year.

How much can we expect the Wii U to increase over the holiday period? For that, let's check in with our good friend the PS Vita. The Vita's monthly sales figures last year were hovering just over 150K in the middle of the year, slightly more than what the Wii U is doing now (average of 130K). So, the Vita will give us a good baseline of what to expect.

In November, the Vita's sales were at about 480 K, about twice to three times what it had been doing in the months leading up to the holiday. In December, the Vita sold 750K which was about about 3-6x what it had been doing in previous months. As such, we can reasonably expect the Wii U to get a bump of around a million for the holidays which brings our expected Wii U value to 5 million. At this point the PS4 would have to match its first two month sales (2,000,000) PLUS the Wii's first 2 month sales (about 3 million).

Of course, the situation for the Wii U is different. On the one hand, it already has a holiday under its belt, which will mean less pent up hype from kids waiting for the holiday to get the system and such. On the other hand, the Wii U has a stronger lineup. The Vita's big two holiday titles were Call of Duty Black Ops Declassified and Assassin's Creed Liberation, which sold 770K and 720K respectively. Each was bundled with the console. Nintendo has Wind Waker HD, Wii Fit U, Wii Party U, Super Mario 3D World, and Donkey Kong Country Returns, all of which are almost assured to sell more than PSVita's biggest titles. If you disagree, stop trolling. So we can expect a bigger boost for the WIi U. Lets be VERY conservative and put the combined value of these titles PLUS the rest of the lineup at 750K. Our Wii U expectancy should now be at 5,750,000.

Of course, this is not taking into account a price cut. The Vita WAS discounted at many retailers at various times over the the last holiday (in the US at least, I don't know about Europe or Asia). However, the Wii U will have a universal price cut by $50. How much can we expect this price cut to help? Well, let's look to the Vita again.

The Vita had a 30% bump in sales in the US based on the price cut, and a 39% boost in Europe. With the same amount of price cut, we should expect Wii U sales to receive an initial boost of 40%, dropping to about 10% over time (again being conservative). Of course, in Japan, where the Vita has software support, the price drop boosted sales by 400% over their normal price, and numbers stabilized at about 50-100% higher than they were pre-price drop. We'll still be conservative, and say the price drop will contribute 500K to the Wii U from September 20th to the holidays. So, the Wii U should be at 6,250,000 by the end of the holiday. That's not factoring in that Nintendo tends to get a bigger holiday boost than other companies.

By the way, for those who think I'm being optimistic towards Nintendo, this would be worse than any of the current gen consoles have ever done over the holidays aside from launch years. And speaking of launch years they are not the strongest periods of a console's life BUT THE WEAKEST. In its BEST year on the market (2011) PS3 sold about 5.7 million units over the holidays. Even if the PS4's launch matches the PS3's peak, the Wii U needs to sell about 2.3 million units over the next four months to prevent the Vita from overtaking it.

Even so, we have 6,250,000. So, the PS4 would have to sell better than the PS3 did in its first two months, the Wii in its first two months, and the XBox 360 in its first two months... combined... Sony may not launch in Japan, and it will launch at the same times as another console with a similar target demographic.

In other words, go home TC, you're drunk. I don't think the PS4 will outsell the Wii U between November and December. The idea that it will outsell the Wii U from November-December PLUS another 3.5 million is bat shit crazy.""""""

This is something I posted in response to a topic about the Wii U being outsold by the end of the year. Things have changed a bit since I made this post. We have Sony's figures which give us a good idea of how many they'll ship out during the holiday. We also know that the PS4 will not be available till February in Japan. Nintendo has announced some things (Wii Sports Club, Wii Fit U free trial, etc.) that may help the Wii U.

The main point is the same though. In a worst case scenario for Nintendo, they should sell about 6.25 million units by the end of the year. If we factor in 3 months more of Wii U sales, they should add another 500K or so. That's based on what the WIi U sold in the first 3 months of 2013, and obviously, no YOY growth is incredibly pessimistic with a price cut and a stronger lineup. So, the Wii U would be at 6.75 million units by the end of of March. Sony is only predicting 5 million shipped, not sold. It's unlikely Sony will be able to produce an extra 1.75 million or sell them.

So, no it's not happening. And my advice to the TC would be, don't worry if some dumb people on the internet think it will.



Kane1389 said:
zorg1000 said:
Ji99saw said:
History my dear Watson... History, ps1 and ps2 kicking Nintendo's ass is what I use to back my argument anything else is invalid


I think PS4 will for sure outsell Wii U in lifetime sales but by Mar 31 is rediculous and alot of people are claiming it will. What makes u think Wii U will only sell about 1 million units this holiday?


It barely sells over 20k per week (lower than GameCube?)

Its being outsold by a PS3 5 to 1

The demand for next gen is huge (1M+ PS4 preorders 3 months before launch)

Less value compared to next gen products

Less value compared to last gen products

Im glad u brought up GC sales. From Mar-June 2003, Nintendo shipped 80k Gamecubes(1/2 of Wii U shipments in the same time frame of this year) yet they were still able to ship 3.5m over the holidays.

Every next gen console that is first to hit the market is outsold by the previous gen at first. Genesis was being outsold by NES, Saturn/PS1 were being outsold by SNES, DC was getting outsold by N64/PS1, PS3/360 were being outsold by PS2, DS/PSP were getting outsold by GBA, 3DS was getting outsold by DS, Vita was getting outsold by PSP.

The demand for next gen is always huge, Dreamcast set records when it launched then was discontinued 18 months later. Launch sales are no indication of total success.

Value is completely opinion, Wii U has 8 exclusives coming in the next 3 months that are from multimillion selling franchises and is $100-200 cheaper than PS4/One, comes with a game and has free online. Many people will see that as a better value, especially Nintendo fans, casuals and parents. Many people will see PS4/One as a better value due to increased graphics, large storage, best versions of multiplats, blu ray playback. It just comes down to individual preference.



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zorg1000 said:
Kane1389 said:
zorg1000 said:
Ji99saw said:
History my dear Watson... History, ps1 and ps2 kicking Nintendo's ass is what I use to back my argument anything else is invalid


I think PS4 will for sure outsell Wii U in lifetime sales but by Mar 31 is rediculous and alot of people are claiming it will. What makes u think Wii U will only sell about 1 million units this holiday?


It barely sells over 20k per week (lower than GameCube?)

Its being outsold by a PS3 5 to 1

The demand for next gen is huge (1M+ PS4 preorders 3 months before launch)

Less value compared to next gen products

Less value compared to last gen products

Im glad u brought up GC sales. From Mar-June 2003, Nintendo shipped 80k Gamecubes(1/2 of Wii U shipments in the same time frame of this year) yet they were still able to ship 3.5m over the holidays.

...with 99$ price point? Ok, so its a t gamecube levels, much better

Every next gen console that is first to hit the market is outsold by the previous gen at first. Genesis was being outsold by NES,SNES was outsellig NES

Saturn/PS1 were being outsold by SNES I believe this is wrong

 DC was getttng outsold by N64/PS1, DC was a failure

PS3/360 were being outsold by PS2, Wii was outselling PS2

DS/PSng P were getting outsold by GBA fair enough, was it by 5:1 margain?

, 3DS was getting outsold by DS, Vita was getting outsold by PSP. DS was a beast, Vita is a failure

The demand for next gen is always huge, Dreamcast set records when it launched then was discontinued 18 months later. Launch sales are no indication of total success. The closest console Dreamcast can be comapred to is WiiU...

Value is completely opinion, Wii U has 8 exclusives coming in the next 3 months that are from multimillion selling franchises and is $100-200 cheaper than PS4/One, comes with a game and has free online. Many people will see that as a better value, especially Nintendo fans, casuals and parents. Nintendo fans will already buy WiiU no matter what? Casuals? That ship has abbandoned nintendo's dock a long time ago.

Many people will see PS4/One as a better value due to increased graphics, large storage, best versions of multiplats, blu ray playback. It just comes down to individual preference. I was talking about objective hardware aspects. For 100$ more, you'll get a blu ray/dvd player, much bigger storage, much more advanced hardware, all other multimedia tasks (music, photos, etc..) 





zorg1000 said:

Link to the Past remake sold 2.7m which is like 60% of the original so that shows some consistancy when it comes to Zelda remakes. Even tho u claim Wind Waker isnt the best Zelda, it still sold 4.6m which is the same as LttP which is considered by many to be the best and was on a console with over double the sales of GC.

u didnt answer why u think 3D Mario and Zelda are declining

Not sure If I can count zelda four swords a remake, it's more of a rerelease with more added content if you ask me and the reason I say zelda is declining is because skyward sword did 3.7mil compared to twilight princess pulling in 8.3mil(counting gc sales too) and that right there is a drop off of 4.5MILLION compared to say the drop off from zelda OOT to majora's mask with about 4mil. 

3D mario has been declining otherwise SMG 2 saled a fair bit less compared to the first even though they were both crtically acclaimed the gap was about 3.5mil.

What you don't understand is that people would want 2D mario with ambition rather than 3D mario for the developers to self indulge.