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PeterSilenced on 14 September 2013
kurasakiichimaru said:
PeterSilenced said:
To be honest the footage from both ps4 and xbone look the same.Y
ou will just spot a diference if you are looking for it and if you are looking for a difference just to inferiorize the guy who owns the opposite console you are not enjoying the game.
So lets just buy a clearly superior xbox one and burn playstation to the ground .yey.

Probably because MS were using PCs instead of devkits.

Well i didnt see those PC´s at pax or gamescom 



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Dark_Feanor on 14 September 2013

The good old console wars has returned.

No more talk about exclusives or services. No more DRM or entertaiment capabilities. No more price, no more motion controls.

For now, until november it´s all about "RAW POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!".

PS: People use to call Devs whose games didn´t run good at the PS3 of "lazy" or "monyhating MS". So what will people say next gen if (IF) the situation as oposed?



S.T.A.G.E. on 14 September 2013
riecsou said:
One thing for sure MS tried to get Sony out of the gaming war with the Xbox 360 and their money. Buying exclusives, releasing the Xbox 360 while Sony was still not ready for the next gen. Selling the 360 cheaper each time Sony would do a price cut (until the Slim came out). If not for the slim (specially for the PS3 Slim) and for system sellers such as (God of war, Uncharted, Gran Turismo, Metal Gear, The last of US) , MS would have crush Sony.
That is why this coming GEN Sony didn't leave much to chance and Microsoft got comfortable because currently they own US big time.
And this is just my opinion, I believe that Sony was planning on doing the DRM thing and online stuff too cause there is no way Microsoft was crazy enough to be the only one to do that. And when Sony saw the reaction of the gamers, they made themselves look like the savior of gaming...


Sony had been saying since February they had no DRM in the PS4, but no one wanted to believe them because if MS is rumored to have it, Sony must be just like them. Look up any "Sony drops the mic on  Microsoft" interview with Jack Tretton after E3. Jack Tretton said they had no plans to have DRM. Companies like Microsoft and EA just see eye to eye so MS took the dive for EA and when EA saw the backlash they stepped away from Microsoft.



richardhutnik on 14 September 2013
riecsou said:
One thing for sure MS tried to get Sony out of the gaming war with the Xbox 360 and their money. Buying exclusives, releasing the Xbox 360 while Sony was still not ready for the next gen. Selling the 360 cheaper each time Sony would do a price cut (until the Slim came out). If not for the slim (specially for the PS3 Slim) and for system sellers such as (God of war, Uncharted, Gran Turismo, Metal Gear, The last of US) , MS would have crush Sony.
That is why this coming GEN Sony didn't leave much to chance and Microsoft got comfortable because currently they own US big time.
And this is just my opinion, I believe that Sony was planning on doing the DRM thing and online stuff too cause there is no way Microsoft was crazy enough to be the only one to do that. And when Sony saw the reaction of the gamers, they made themselves look like the savior of gaming...

Companies get lucky.  I believe Sony got lucky.  They were likely going to do the DRM thing as you said and also very likely were going 4GB GDDR5.   They then see the writing on the wall, and do 8GB GDDR5, and throws Microsoft off.  After this, Microsoft walks into the DRM trap and tips off Sony, so Sony backs off and Microsoft takes the hit.  Sony also was likely going $500 with the camera, but sees the camera is an issue, so they drop the camera and drop it $100.  Microsoft got stuck.

In short, Microsoft handed Sony all the advantages and is trying to win the perception war with these replies.  They replies consists of "wait and see", "you don't understand", and other floated rumors like the second GPU.  And just like Nintendo is hinged upon the second screen with the Wii U being a MUST HAVE feature, Microsoft is now having to push Kinect 2.0 and the cloud (with always on off the table, cloud really isn't even there).  If this were a political campaign, Microsoft got Karl Roved and had all their strengths of the ONE turned against it, saying online isn't needed AND Kinect doesn't need to be on.  



richardhutnik on 14 September 2013
CGI-Quality said:
richardhutnik said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
CGI-Quality said:

Hard to be aggressive when a lot of sources basically say the same thing. They should just keep quiet about power, like they did with the 360. Even though it was weaker, the PS3 didn't just completely destroy it. Despite the bigger advantage for Sony this time, they should just pump out those games and let all else be.


Exactly.

Has there been a case of a less powerful system outselling a more powerful one at a higher price point?

Good question. Wasn't the PS2 more expensive than the GameCube? 

Someone has to look into this.  It is tricky.  I would also have to speak about the context of at launch.  What you see is people say "the most powerful system never wins" without the context of price of system also mentioned.  I have to wonder if there is a case of the most expensive system ever selling the most.



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Dark_Feanor on 14 September 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
riecsou said:
One thing for sure MS tried to get Sony out of the gaming war with the Xbox 360 and their money. Buying exclusives, releasing the Xbox 360 while Sony was still not ready for the next gen. Selling the 360 cheaper each time Sony would do a price cut (until the Slim came out). If not for the slim (specially for the PS3 Slim) and for system sellers such as (God of war, Uncharted, Gran Turismo, Metal Gear, The last of US) , MS would have crush Sony.
That is why this coming GEN Sony didn't leave much to chance and Microsoft got comfortable because currently they own US big time.
And this is just my opinion, I believe that Sony was planning on doing the DRM thing and online stuff too cause there is no way Microsoft was crazy enough to be the only one to do that. And when Sony saw the reaction of the gamers, they made themselves look like the savior of gaming...


Sony had been saying since February they had no DRM in the PS4, but no one wanted to believe them because if MS is rumored to have it, Sony must be just like them. Look up any "Sony drops the mic on  Microsoft" interview with Jack Tretton after E3. Jack Tretton said they had no plans to have DRM. Companies like Microsoft and EA just see eye to eye so MS took the dive for EA and when EA saw the backlash they stepped away from Microsoft.


Until E3 Sony never said it had or had not any DRM control built-in. I belive it was a very late decision to build moment and "win" the E3.

The last five minuties of their conference was the sole reason (or 75%) for the PS4 hype train that many are riding till now.

A product can´t succed only with Hype. Sony has to show more tangible proves that the PS4 is realy that superior. For now, it´s only cheaper and smaller. 

People (normal people, not gafers) won´t buy a divice only because some guys in foruns BELIVE it is 50% more powerfull. Well, look at the iPhone vs Android (high end), even Lumias more expencive in some markets sell more than Androids that are sheaper. (In fact no one even know how much RAM a iPhone has or how many VPI...).



S.T.A.G.E. on 14 September 2013
richardhutnik said:
riecsou said:
One thing for sure MS tried to get Sony out of the gaming war with the Xbox 360 and their money. Buying exclusives, releasing the Xbox 360 while Sony was still not ready for the next gen. Selling the 360 cheaper each time Sony would do a price cut (until the Slim came out). If not for the slim (specially for the PS3 Slim) and for system sellers such as (God of war, Uncharted, Gran Turismo, Metal Gear, The last of US) , MS would have crush Sony.
That is why this coming GEN Sony didn't leave much to chance and Microsoft got comfortable because currently they own US big time.
And this is just my opinion, I believe that Sony was planning on doing the DRM thing and online stuff too cause there is no way Microsoft was crazy enough to be the only one to do that. And when Sony saw the reaction of the gamers, they made themselves look like the savior of gaming...

Companies get lucky.  I believe Sony got lucky.  They were likely going to do the DRM thing as you said and also very likely were going 4GB GDDR5.   They then see the writing on the wall, and do 8GB GDDR5, and throws Microsoft off.  After this, Microsoft walks into the DRM trap and tips off Sony, so Sony backs off and Microsoft takes the hit.  Sony also was likely going $500 with the camera, but sees the camera is an issue, so they drop the camera and drop it $100.  Microsoft got stuck.

In short, Microsoft handed Sony all the advantages and is trying to win the perception war with these replies.  They replies consists of "wait and see", "you don't understand", and other floated rumors like the second GPU.  And just like Nintendo is hinged upon the second screen with the Wii U being a MUST HAVE feature, Microsoft is now having to push Kinect 2.0 and the cloud (with always on off the table, cloud really isn't even there).  If this were a political campaign, Microsoft got Karl Roved and had all their strengths of the ONE turned against it, saying online isn't needed AND Kinect doesn't need to be on.  


...or Sony didn't change a thing about their model outside of PSN+ and the developer friendliness and watched Microsoft go down in flames in May.



S.T.A.G.E. on 14 September 2013
Dark_Feanor said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
riecsou said:
One thing for sure MS tried to get Sony out of the gaming war with the Xbox 360 and their money. Buying exclusives, releasing the Xbox 360 while Sony was still not ready for the next gen. Selling the 360 cheaper each time Sony would do a price cut (until the Slim came out). If not for the slim (specially for the PS3 Slim) and for system sellers such as (God of war, Uncharted, Gran Turismo, Metal Gear, The last of US) , MS would have crush Sony.
That is why this coming GEN Sony didn't leave much to chance and Microsoft got comfortable because currently they own US big time.
And this is just my opinion, I believe that Sony was planning on doing the DRM thing and online stuff too cause there is no way Microsoft was crazy enough to be the only one to do that. And when Sony saw the reaction of the gamers, they made themselves look like the savior of gaming...


Sony had been saying since February they had no DRM in the PS4, but no one wanted to believe them because if MS is rumored to have it, Sony must be just like them. Look up any "Sony drops the mic on  Microsoft" interview with Jack Tretton after E3. Jack Tretton said they had no plans to have DRM. Companies like Microsoft and EA just see eye to eye so MS took the dive for EA and when EA saw the backlash they stepped away from Microsoft.


Until E3 Sony never said it had or had not any DRM control built-in. I belive it was a very late decision to build moment and "win" the E3.

The last five minuties of their conference was the sole reason (or 75%) for the PS4 hype train that many are riding till now.

A product can´t succed only with Hype. Sony has to show more tangible proves that the PS4 is realy that superior. For now, it´s only cheaper and smaller. 

People (normal people, not gafers) won´t buy a divice only because some guys in foruns BELIVE it is 50% more powerfull. Well, look at the iPhone vs Android (high end), even Lumias more expencive in some markets sell more than Androids that are sheaper. (In fact no one even know how much RAM a iPhone has or how many VPI...).

I love killing misinformation. Sony has had to fan off the MS flames since February before the Xbox One was revealed because people feared always online and DRM. February to June is how much Microsofts leaks had people pissing their pants and some how Sony had to be involved.
http://kotaku.com/5985874/ps4-will-not-require-an-always+online-connection



Dark_Feanor on 14 September 2013
richardhutnik said:
CGI-Quality said:
richardhutnik said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
CGI-Quality said:

Hard to be aggressive when a lot of sources basically say the same thing. They should just keep quiet about power, like they did with the 360. Even though it was weaker, the PS3 didn't just completely destroy it. Despite the bigger advantage for Sony this time, they should just pump out those games and let all else be.


Exactly.

Has there been a case of a less powerful system outselling a more powerful one at a higher price point?

Good question. Wasn't the PS2 more expensive than the GameCube? 

Someone has to look into this.  It is tricky.  I would also have to speak about the context of at launch.  What you see is people say "the most powerful system never wins" without the context of price of system also mentioned.  I have to wonder if there is a case of the most expensive system ever selling the most.


The PS3 was more expensive than the 360, it only took Sony 7 years... so it´s not far fechted the possibility that the Xbox One could out sell the PS4.

The adds barely haven´t started yet.



S.T.A.G.E. on 14 September 2013
Dark_Feanor said:
richardhutnik said:
CGI-Quality said:

Good question. Wasn't the PS2 more expensive than the GameCube? 

Someone has to look into this.  It is tricky.  I would also have to speak about the context of at launch.  What you see is people say "the most powerful system never wins" without the context of price of system also mentioned.  I have to wonder if there is a case of the most expensive system ever selling the most.


The PS3 was more expensive than the 360, it only took Sony 7 years... so it´s not far fechted the possibility that the Xbox One could out sell the PS4.

The adds barely haven´t started yet.


Sony outsold Microsoft almost every year (when you coun't year upon year sales from launches equally). Technically Sony is about eight million ahead in overall sales, they are just a year behind. If Sony had launched with Microsoft (hypothetically based on the stats)they would've been ahead by like what...nearly ten mil? LOL....Imagine this gen when they start off correctly and don't piss off consumers. :)