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fatslob-:O on 06 November 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
Lol landguy. That post is funny. "Dont try to argue. Jist spout nonsense and ignore people when they call you out. And lets just call everyone who goes against you sony supporters... even though fatslob is a pc guy

Apparently your the only one that got the memo LOL. I guess you're paying attention. 



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fatslob-:O on 06 November 2013
eyeofcore said:
landguy1 said:
eyeofcore said:
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:
Both Xbox One and PlayStation 4 has hUMA.

All the features that Xbox One's Kinect can do is indication that it has hUMA because to do all of those things at the same time is only possible with hUMA:

*Facepalm* 

The kinect SOC is likely an ASIC, not exactly what you'd call some generic processor. Everything can be done without hUMA. The memory architecture is only used to improve performance of certain tasks.


*facepalm*

You must be that dumb to think that I don't know that everything can be done without hUMA, are you that dumb/naive?

I said Kinect you imbecile, Xbox One kinect does what original Xbox 360's Kinect can't do and only 10% is allocated to Kinect XO also at the rate it is doing all things the same with just 10% it is only possible with hUMA at that rate to do all of those creepy things. Jesus christ,..

 

Moderated - Kresnik.

You will soon find that if your opinion in any way is not going down the path the the PS4 is all powerful, you will be questioned and harrassed until the end of time on these forums.  Eventually, basic frustration begins and that's when the Sony faithful take advantage of you.  People end up falling off topic and making personal attacks.  If you want to stick around, don't bother to try to debate PS4 vs XB1 power.  Too many Sony supporters here and all of them act like they designed both systems and know better than anyone with a different opinion.

 

OT : I am a supporter of the XB1(even though i did not preorder it or the PS4).  But the facts are the facts at this point.  The PS4 is probably 30% more powerful in graphics capability than the XB1.  The difference is that within 2 years both systems will sadly be way under powered.  They can barely do 1080p now and it will be a steady decline towards 30fps and 720p.  1st party games will be the only ones to do better, but that will be because the designers made choices to reduce other parts of the games to achieve higher resolution or faster framerates.  When everbody complained about the "power of the cloud" on this site, they were very short sighted.  The power of the cloud had better help both systems a few years from now or there will be great dissapointment in our futures.

PlayStation 4 is powerful, but the gap is not that huge and rule of diminishing returns are applied...

Only reason why games on Xbox One and PlayStation 4 would be sub 1080p is because of 3rd party wanting the best visuals and because of game engines that are coded in high level or mid level code rather than low level code like Assemly to use maximum out of the machine, look at Iron Fall for 3DS.

Gap between Xbox One and PlayStation 4 is not huge by any standards at these power levels, it that was like with Genesis versus SNES then 30% made a huge difference yet the more performance you have the less you can do as you increase resolution, drawing distance and other things.

I could go chatting about this for days.

Who the hell cares about low level code. People like you are an enemy to developers because you demand idiotic things to be done by a developer such as low level programming when they clearly don't have the time to bother. Now I know how it feels like for a developer to get flak from sony and nintendo fanbases. 

@Bold You probably couldn't because you don't understand any of this stuff. 



klumminati on 06 November 2013

At At work we talk about this like everyday. to many petty people, they have to say facts when in actuality they don't what the heck they are talking about. Let me ask a question, if your system supposed to destroy the competition, why do you have to be on here day and every moment talking about competition? talk about people are for stupid to buy xyz? If your system is well endowed it should speak for itself. I truly think some of you are afraid to the point of console envy. Buy what you want instead of bothering people who enjoys their purchase. You guys must hate it when someone buys a different brand of shampoo, toothpaste, car, cellphone...oh wait, you don't because illogical reasoning and ignorance has defeated you.



Just because you chose to quote a famous dead person does not mean that you are some type of intellect nor does it mean that the quote in question is correct.

Pemalite on 06 November 2013
eyeofcore said:


I know... It may finally allow proper exoskeletons or mech's that won't fall on the backs or on the face... hahaha

hUMA will allow much smarter AI. :D


Not exactly what I meant...

KBG29 said:

 A major majority of people do not have a PC capable of what the PS4 and XBO are capable of and will not for at least another 5 years. 

Er. There are more PC's that are faster than the Xbox One and Playstation 4 combined, than there are next generation consoles on the market.
So the next gen market is actually bigger on the PC as it is right now.

Plus if you bothered to keep an eye on the Steam statistics, you would have noticed a trend.
Most GPU's that are older than the Radeon 7000 series and Geforce 600 series are actually in decline.
Roughly 8% of the 65 Million users on Steam has a GPU that's more powerfull than the Playstation 4 and it's increasing. (That's roughly 5.2 million PC's)
There are even significantly more that are faster than the Xbox One.
The Steam Statistics also don't factor in Multi-GPU configurations either, Steam for instance would only think I have 1x 7970, so that increases that 5.2 million number.
Steam statistics also doesn't take into account Optimus powered systems either, thus it doesn't detect the nVidia GPU, only the Intel one.

66% of GPU's have feature-set parity to the Playstatoon 4, thus granted they have varying degrees of performance, they can however run the same games as the Playstation 4 on a technical level with varying degrees of image quality.

CPU's it's not even worth worrying about, even a 6 year old Core 2 Quad is faster than the 8 core jaguar that only has 6 anemic cores for gaming.

Pretty much the vast majority of all PC's using Steam are faster than the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3, who are currently the PC's only competition on the market.
Keep an eye out on those Steam statistics over the coming months though as people do a spade of upgrades for the upcoming games.



--::{PC Gaming Master Race}::--

fatslob-:O on 06 November 2013
Pemalite said:


Not exactly what I meant...

Is it easier programming for users that don't do GPU programming ?  



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FrancisNobleman on 06 November 2013

So how's the situation ?

who's winning this ?



fatslob-:O on 06 November 2013
FrancisNobleman said:
So how's the situation ?

who's winning this ?

All I can tell you now is that eyeofcore is losing in this thread.



eyeofcore on 08 November 2013
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:


My knowledge of English is fine, only speaking has some issues since I don't speak much in English since it is not my native language and claiming that I am contradicting and that I am naive is a fallacy. I may not explain properly what I am trying to say so Il try again to prove your ignorance and people at Anandtech would agree with me and Pemalite did not pwned me, but himself with that post and his own ignorance.

Just because I don't do programming does not mean I can't understand the concept of it.

hUMA has the effect and you are denying it, first of all hUMA has less bottlenecks thus it increases the speed of accessing data thus better communication between CPU and GPU also you can do that in GPGPU yet again some things need to be done on CPU and hUMA allows far more direct communication between CPU and GPU to allow real time processing and showcase of those results thus it is way more correct.

All of things that Microsoft said about Kinect in Xbox One were made possible by hUMA and AMD's slide also indicate that because hUMA rapidly increases execution of tasks and makes programming easier between CPU and GPU, thus you have Bolt and also detecting problems in the code in Open CL should be easier, right?

Just because I can not explain you sometimes properly and just because  you can't think out of the box for a second thus not being narrow minded as a person.

Anyway... I wonder if developers will offload pathfinding to hUMA, it should drastically increase challenges in game eg flanking and that, I am still amazed with original Half Life's AI that flanks me compared to other AI's that mostly just charge like suicide bombers.

@Bold Bwahahahaha. I hope you don't stay too long in their forums cause they probably already getting tired of your lies. 

If you don't do any programming you will fail to understand pemalite's and my perspective of things. 

That second line is epic fail LOL. It shows that you have no understanding of how hUMA truly works!

Kinect was possible without hUMA! Apparently you don't understand what I had meant by massively parallel. 

Your the narrow minded person here! You cannot even get your facts right which suggest you have some seroius issues of understanding anything that happens in the world of complex circuits! 


Yet I don't lie, that is the problem... Just because I don't do any programming that does not mean that I and others can not understand your perspective, I do HTML and that is programming because scripting is also programming in a way, so I can see your point of view also that second line is not a epic fail as you hope so because that is simplified representation of hUMA. Normally it goes something like(the way I see it);

CPU>Cache>System RAM<VRAM/Cache<GPU UMA

CPU>Cache<>VRAM/Cache<GPU hUMA

Your a funny, I did not say Kinect is impossible with hUMA, I said that CERTAIN features to be real time need GPGPU or more better and efficient hUMA that simplifies ways of handling CPU and GPU communication. I may not explain it weel, at least I get the picture while you are blind to see that I get the picture that you are getting just in mere words while at least I can in my thought visualize it while you can't!

You need to stop with your hope of me being a narrow minded person, English is not my primary language so I may not explain to you perfectly yet you claim something that makes you look foolish since anyone can understand with some research, don't deny it...



eyeofcore on 08 November 2013
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:
landguy1 said:
eyeofcore said:
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:
Both Xbox One and PlayStation 4 has hUMA.

All the features that Xbox One's Kinect can do is indication that it has hUMA because to do all of those things at the same time is only possible with hUMA:

*Facepalm* 

The kinect SOC is likely an ASIC, not exactly what you'd call some generic processor. Everything can be done without hUMA. The memory architecture is only used to improve performance of certain tasks.


*facepalm*

You must be that dumb to think that I don't know that everything can be done without hUMA, are you that dumb/naive?

I said Kinect you imbecile, Xbox One kinect does what original Xbox 360's Kinect can't do and only 10% is allocated to Kinect XO also at the rate it is doing all things the same with just 10% it is only possible with hUMA at that rate to do all of those creepy things. Jesus christ,..

 

Moderated - Kresnik.

You will soon find that if your opinion in any way is not going down the path the the PS4 is all powerful, you will be questioned and harrassed until the end of time on these forums.  Eventually, basic frustration begins and that's when the Sony faithful take advantage of you.  People end up falling off topic and making personal attacks.  If you want to stick around, don't bother to try to debate PS4 vs XB1 power.  Too many Sony supporters here and all of them act like they designed both systems and know better than anyone with a different opinion.

 

OT : I am a supporter of the XB1(even though i did not preorder it or the PS4).  But the facts are the facts at this point.  The PS4 is probably 30% more powerful in graphics capability than the XB1.  The difference is that within 2 years both systems will sadly be way under powered.  They can barely do 1080p now and it will be a steady decline towards 30fps and 720p.  1st party games will be the only ones to do better, but that will be because the designers made choices to reduce other parts of the games to achieve higher resolution or faster framerates.  When everbody complained about the "power of the cloud" on this site, they were very short sighted.  The power of the cloud had better help both systems a few years from now or there will be great dissapointment in our futures.

PlayStation 4 is powerful, but the gap is not that huge and rule of diminishing returns are applied...

Only reason why games on Xbox One and PlayStation 4 would be sub 1080p is because of 3rd party wanting the best visuals and because of game engines that are coded in high level or mid level code rather than low level code like Assemly to use maximum out of the machine, look at Iron Fall for 3DS.

Gap between Xbox One and PlayStation 4 is not huge by any standards at these power levels, it that was like with Genesis versus SNES then 30% made a huge difference yet the more performance you have the less you can do as you increase resolution, drawing distance and other things.

I could go chatting about this for days.

Who the hell cares about low level code. People like you are an enemy to developers because you demand idiotic things to be done by a developer such as low level programming when they clearly don't have the time to bother. Now I know how it feels like for a developer to get flak from sony and nintendo fanbases. 

@Bold You probably couldn't because you don't understand any of this stuff. 


You just proved that you are lazy... xD

People like me demand quality and game engines that are efficient, so are we dumb because we give flak Betsheda for not implementing a simple thing as SSE instruction set that is in CPU's since like 1999 or 2000 so our demand for higher quality is idiotic and you aproove mediocrity in video game industry and you say they clearly don't have the time to bother yet they primarily rush their games with glitches, bugs and game breaking bug...

Only reason why developers don't have "time" to do it because they are lazy, they can do it, they can take the time to do it yet they don't take the needed time. Developers like VD Dev and Shin'en prove you wrong and you don't know a bit how it feels like a developer nor do I so we can only dream about how it is ultil you and/or me get in the video game industry.

So you are basically saying that Sony fanbase should have been quite while 3rd party developers put poorly made ports with glitches, bugs, game breaking bugs that they were getting from 2006 to as late as 2010? Same for Nintendo fanbase, should they put up on poorly made ports that are cheap and that do not utilize the hardware? So you say yes to type of games that caused the Video Game Crash Of 1983?! You fail.

Keep underestimating people, it will backfire in your face that you will be shocked...



eyeofcore on 08 November 2013
fatslob-:O said:
Pemalite said:


Not exactly what I meant...

Is it easier programming for users that don't do GPU programming ?  


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