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Kane1389 said:
Pavolink said:
Kane1389 said:


Yeah, attracting 3rd party devs and customers with more capable hardware would defintely waste them money.

Yeah, like the GC had all the third party support and was the best selling device.


PS2 was too much of a beast for anyone to handle. 

Still, GC would have probably done worse if it had inferior hardware


???

What an excuse.

Devices sell because games, not hardware. If that was the case, DS,3DS and Wii wouldn't have sold better than competition. Those consoles have games that people wanted to play, not because the ram or the gpu.

And third party support has been neglected mostly to Nintendo consoles because their bad relationship with them in the NES-SNES era.



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Pavolink said:
Kane1389 said:
Pavolink said:
Kane1389 said:


Yeah, attracting 3rd party devs and customers with more capable hardware would defintely waste them money.

Yeah, like the GC had all the third party support and was the best selling device.


PS2 was too much of a beast for anyone to handle. 

Still, GC would have probably done worse if it had inferior hardware


???

What an excuse.

Devices sell because games, not hardware. If that was the case, DS,3DS and Wii wouldn't have sold better than competition. Those consoles have games that people wanted to play, not because the ram or the gpu.

And third party support has been neglected mostly to Nintendo consoles because their bad relationship with them in the NES-SNES era.

It doesnt change the fact that more power can only attract more customers and boost performance of the system



Kane1389 said:


Studios closed because they ran bad buisness and didnt make games that were appealing to the market. It has absolutely nothing to do with hardware and graphics. I can not believe you really think graphics are the reason studios shut down xD. There were studios that failed even when visuals were at PS2 standards. And companies who are under Sony can still fail (Studio Liverpool) so you dont have to act as if i gave some bad example of anything


Here.

Educate yourself.



Kane1389 said:
F0X said:
Kane1389 said:

While the competition does both...


And gets locked into an expensive arms race.

Which is good for us customers


Customers have convinced Nintendo otherwise.



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Play4Fun said:
Kane1389 said:
 


Studios closed because they ran bad buisness and didnt make games that were appealing to the market. It has absolutely nothing to do with hardware and graphics. I can not believe you really think graphics are the reason studios shut down xD. There were studios that failed even when visuals were at PS2 standards. And companies who are under Sony can still fail (Studio Liverpool) so you dont have to act as if i gave some bad example of anything


Here.

Educate yourself.

That article is as bias as they come and completely fails at giving any form of balance. Some of the developers she mentions in this article have actually profited and grown hugely this generation. He talks about Bioware making the most expensive game but that same studio from the start of the gen has grown hugely to the point where it now encompasses 5 teams/studios with nearly 1000 employees and has 3 of the biggest IPs going into next gen. That's all from a single studio in 2005.

It also fails to recognise that studios should actually have an easier time of making games moving into next gen than with PS3/360. The PS4/X1 architectures are effectively PCs meaning far less time (and effectively money) can be spent on engine development and more time spent on the games themselves.

Anyway, have studios closed this gen? Yes, of course, but this happens every generation. Developers and publishers that fail to adapt to the changing market conditions will either go under, or get bought by someone else. That's just business as usual in this industry.



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Scoobes said:
Play4Fun said:
Kane1389 said:
 


Studios closed because they ran bad buisness and didnt make games that were appealing to the market. It has absolutely nothing to do with hardware and graphics. I can not believe you really think graphics are the reason studios shut down xD. There were studios that failed even when visuals were at PS2 standards. And companies who are under Sony can still fail (Studio Liverpool) so you dont have to act as if i gave some bad example of anything


Here.

Educate yourself.

That article is as bias as they come and completely fails at giving any form of balance. Some of the developers she mentions in this article have actually profited and grown hugely this generation. He talks about Bioware making the most expensive game but that same studio from the start of the gen has grown hugely to the point where it now encompasses 5 teams/studios with nearly 1000 employees and has 3 of the biggest IPs going into next gen. That's all from a single studio in 2005.

It also fails to recognise that studios should actually have an easier time of making games moving into next gen than with PS3/360. The PS4/X1 architectures are effectively PCs meaning far less time (and effectively money) can be spent on engine development and more time spent on the games themselves.

Anyway, have studios closed this gen? Yes, of course, but this happens every generation. Developers and publishers that fail to adapt to the changing market conditions will either go under, or get bought by someone else. That's just business as usual in this industry.


Rising cost of game development wasn't anywhere as big a problem in other generations as it was this gen so saying "this happens every gen" is disingenuous and ignores the realities of the problem.

Even Ubisoft and Epic were talking about expecting development costs to double or triple next gen.



Pavolink said:
sethnintendo said:

GameCube was too similar to the other consoles and didn't offer any innovate controller compared to the competitors.  Nintendo has to offer unique experiences to stand out.  If Nintendo just did what the other home console makers did then they would never sell more than 20-40m home consoles. 

Exactly. Plus, Nintendo doesn't have other divisions/areas to take money for. They are only a videogame company.

They have a foot in cinema too, with cartoon movies I think. And also toys for children.

 

And they own one Seattle Baseball team, If I'm fresh on memory.



Kane1389 said:


Haha, thats a good one xD. Studios going under because standards for graphics are getting higher lol.

I now see why Naughty Dog, Epic and Polyphony are all going bankrupt... Its not like ND's new IP shipped 3 million copies 1st week


Yes, and so they have to sell X ammount to break even. You know Watch Dogs NEEDS to sell 6 million copies to be profitable ?

 

Why do you think capcom is on the dust with their bank account ? do you think resident evil 5 was a success ? Why so many seasoned devs going indie ?

higher costs always means the most incapable studios, financially or technically, will go down. Stop saying otherwise, you are annoying.



FrancisNobleman said:
Kane1389 said:


Haha, thats a good one xD. Studios going under because standards for graphics are getting higher lol.

I now see why Naughty Dog, Epic and Polyphony are all going bankrupt... Its not like ND's new IP shipped 3 million copies 1st week


Yes, and so they have to sell X ammount to break even. You know Watch Dogs NEEDS to sell 6 million copies to be profitable ?

 

Why do you think capcom is on the dust with their bank account ? do you think resident evil 5 was a success ? Why so many seasoned devs going indie ?

higher costs always means the most incapable studios, financially or technically, will go down. Stop saying otherwise, you are annoying.

Also, SE and Tomb Raider.



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Number ONE Zelda fan in the Universe

DKCTF didn't move consoles

Prediction: No Zelda HD for Wii U, quietly moved to the succesor

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Kane1389 said:
Play4Fun said:
Kane1389 said:
F0X said:

And gets locked into an expensive arms race.

Which is good for us customers


Studios going under is good for customers?


Haha, thats a good one xD. Studios going under because standards for graphics are getting higher lol.

I now see why Naughty Dog, Epic and Polyphony are all going bankrupt... Its not like ND's new IP shipped 3 million copies 1st week

yeah, it's not like the increased costs caused countless studios to close since gen 7 began. Oh wait!