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Jadedx said:
ethomaz said:
I don't understand why some guys in this thread needs to much to believe in a fake dGPU rumor.

Why the Xbone to be less powerful than PS4 hurts so much to that point?

Why do you need this not to be true? it could easily be true, it really is not far fetched that they added a dgpu, this system design has been around since 2009.

I don't need this to not be ture... it is not true... any guy that undestand a little knows the rumos is impossible... how could be easily true?



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ethomaz said:
Jadedx said:
ethomaz said:
I don't understand why some guys in this thread needs to much to believe in a fake dGPU rumor.

Why the Xbone to be less powerful than PS4 hurts so much to that point?

Why do you need this not to be true? it could easily be true, it really is not far fetched that they added a dgpu, this system design has been around since 2009.

I don't need this to not be ture... it is not true... any guy that undestand a little knows the rumos is impossible... how could be easily true?

Explain why it is impossible, go ahead. I'm waiting.



walsufnir said:

Are there so much who are hurt? I could also interpret some posts in positive Xbone-threads as "hurt".

I post what I think but even in PS4 threads when there are no chance to be true I said that.

Do you believe in this story?



ethomaz said:

walsufnir said:

Are there so much who are hurt? I could also interpret some posts in positive Xbone-threads as "hurt".

I post what I think but even in PS4 threads when there are no chance to be true I said that.

Do you believe in this story?


Of course not. From now on I won't comment on performance-threads as they only rely on specs and not about real-world-performance because we don't know enough details about the consoles. I will wait until consoles are released and we have some head2head-comparisons. (And even then we don't know the "real" performance).



ethomaz said:

walsufnir said:

Are there so much who are hurt? I could also interpret some posts in positive Xbone-threads as "hurt".

I post what I think but even in PS4 threads when there are no chance to be true I said that.

Do you believe in this story?

Dunno, but I don't know why it could not be true. There is certainly more evidence of it being true that not being true. There have been rumors dual gpus since early last year from multiple sources, the fact that MS paid 3 billion dollars this the chip, the size of the chip being on par with one of the biggest chips being made now. Saying this is impossible is foolishness.



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Jadedx said:

Explain why it is impossible, go ahead. I'm waiting.

I will try not to enter em technical level... so I will use a consumer view.

1) MS already reveled the main specs... there are co-processors to help to free up the APU but not a dGPU.

2) MS already hinted for the consume of the console... did you know how much a dGPU consomes? Well it is need to be twice what MS hints.

3) A W2W chips is too expensive for a console... in fact how can a the Xbone just costed $500 with a W2W chips combinning APU + dGPU... W2W is expensive and not ready yet... only the chip should cost over $300 to manufacture for a mid dGPU but the rumor says a HD 7970.

4) No first-party game for Xbox One uses a dGPU... in fact no game showed for now is nowhere running in a system with 5TFLOPS or even more than 2TFLOPS... do you believe MS is showing these graphics if they have a dGPU inside the Xbone?

5) MS is trying to increase the power (clock) of the Xbone components.

I can list more but I will need more low in techinical level.



Jadedx said:

Dunno, but I don't know why it could not be true. There is certainly more evidence of it being true that not being true. There have been rumors dual gpus since early last year from multiple sources, the fact that MS paid 3 billion dollars this the chip, the size of the chip being on par with one of the biggest chips being made now. Saying this is impossible is foolishness.

That is where the rumor lies... there is NO EVIDENCE for that rumor be true.

All the evidences says otherwise.

Now your points...

1. There aren't multiples sources... in fact all realiable souces always said MS and Sony was going for AMD with APU.

2. 3 million is for a big contract is not for the project/design... it is for project/design + multiples years of royalties created by manufacture and others things... it is a good deal to be fair if the Xbox One sell good.

3. 32MB eSRAM is huge... 40% of the chips is RAM... in fact the chip surprised me because I expect 400mm² and MS/AMD could make the transistor dense to fit in 363mm²... it is small for what it have inside.

Saying it can be true is foolishness.



ethomaz said:

walsufnir said:

Are there so much who are hurt? I could also interpret some posts in positive Xbone-threads as "hurt".

I post what I think but even in PS4 threads when there are no chance to be true I said that.

Do you believe in this story?


Who cares if he believes or not! The numbers on the front pages are estimates... The site we're on is based on estimates. Sure, there is obviously a lot more to it than that but dude. It really seems like you're just not wanting this to be true. Please, go away and let us speculate on a rumour in peace. You've made more posts in this thread than pretty much everyone, if not everyone...

 



ironmanDX said:

Who cares if he believes or not! The numbers on the front pages are estimates... The site we're on is based on estimates. Sure, there is obviously a lot more to it than that but dude. It really seems like you're just not wanting this to be true. Please, go away and let us speculate on a rumour in peace. You've made more posts in this thread than pretty much everyone, if not everyone...

I need to put a little common sense in some heads

BTW it is a public forum, no?



ethomaz said:

ironmanDX said:

Who cares if he believes or not! The numbers on the front pages are estimates... The site we're on is based on estimates. Sure, there is obviously a lot more to it than that but dude. It really seems like you're just not wanting this to be true. Please, go away and let us speculate on a rumour in peace. You've made more posts in this thread than pretty much everyone, if not everyone...

I need to put a little common sense in some heads


Well, we need to put some in your head, too, ethomaz