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Do you believe political correctness is good for society?

Yes 9 11.39%
 
No 70 88.61%
 
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the_lonely_gamer_123 on 31 August 2013
badgenome said:
the_lonely_gamer_123 said:

Hahahaha, definitely with you there. It's entertaining because of how ridiculous the whole situation is. Take Roy Hibbert for instance, he even reached out to the only openly gay North American pro sports player in Jason Collins upon apologizing to everyone for saying "no homo". Was that necessary, reaching out to a gay guy just because you said "no homo" in an interview? In our society, yes. And it's entertaining to people like me or you, sitting back and watching the fireworks.

Yeah, that's always my favorite part. It's wrong to treat all members of a certain group as if they are all the same, but whenever someone say something "offensive" it's standard procedure to run and apologize to a prominent member of that group to receive absolution. Like Paula Deen going to Jesse Jackson so he could forgive her on behalf of all black people.

It must be hard for satirists these days when reality is beyond satire.

hahahaha appreciate the video, that made my day. And agreed, the best part is when a celeb apologizes to one famous guy on behalf of a whole race for an inoffensive comment.



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Kane1389 on 31 August 2013
the_lonely_gamer_123 said:
Kane1389 said:
Zappykins said:
Yes, for the most part it is a good thing. To dehumanize or marginalize others isn't a good thing. It is often misunderstood though and misused.

This isn't people sitting together and having a beer. This is a media event.

In my experience usually the people that complain are the ones that are upset they can not oppress others anymore. Like they guy upset he can't beat and rape is wife because she is not longer 'property' but a 'human being.'


So having a joke about his fellow basketball player equals to raping and beating a woman ???

 

Might be an exaggeration, but it proves a point. Obviously, those two things are not one and the same, but Roy Hibbert was called out by some as a homophobe for making a joke like that, which is totally ridiculous. It feels like people can't make any joke without being called a homophobe, a sexist, a racist, a prejudist, etc.

Calling someone a homophobe/racist/sexist is the very foundation of conversation a progressive/lberal will have with a person that doesnt share his/hers political opinion



the_lonely_gamer_123 on 31 August 2013
Kane1389 said:
the_lonely_gamer_123 said:
Kane1389 said:
Zappykins said:
Yes, for the most part it is a good thing. To dehumanize or marginalize others isn't a good thing. It is often misunderstood though and misused.

This isn't people sitting together and having a beer. This is a media event.

In my experience usually the people that complain are the ones that are upset they can not oppress others anymore. Like they guy upset he can't beat and rape is wife because she is not longer 'property' but a 'human being.'


So having a joke about his fellow basketball player equals to raping and beating a woman ???

 

Might be an exaggeration, but it proves a point. Obviously, those two things are not one and the same, but Roy Hibbert was called out by some as a homophobe for making a joke like that, which is totally ridiculous. It feels like people can't make any joke without being called a homophobe, a sexist, a racist, a prejudist, etc.

Calling someone a homophobe/racist/sexist is the very foundation of conversation a progressive/lberal will have with a person that doesnt share his/hers political opinion

It's not just with progressive people/liberals. Take the NRA/conservatives and the gun control debate. Not to open up that can of worms, but they would routinely call people that don't agree with their view as being "unpatriotic" and "un-American". It's really quite sad that you get people who resort to petty insults and name calling just because you don't agree with them, and this is definitely a by-product of political correctness.



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Kane1389 on 31 August 2013
the_lonely_gamer_123 said:
Kane1389 said:
the_lonely_gamer_123 said:
Kane1389 said:
Zappykins said:
Yes, for the most part it is a good thing. To dehumanize or marginalize others isn't a good thing. It is often misunderstood though and misused.

This isn't people sitting together and having a beer. This is a media event.

In my experience usually the people that complain are the ones that are upset they can not oppress others anymore. Like they guy upset he can't beat and rape is wife because she is not longer 'property' but a 'human being.'


So having a joke about his fellow basketball player equals to raping and beating a woman ???

 

Might be an exaggeration, but it proves a point. Obviously, those two things are not one and the same, but Roy Hibbert was called out by some as a homophobe for making a joke like that, which is totally ridiculous. It feels like people can't make any joke without being called a homophobe, a sexist, a racist, a prejudist, etc.

Calling someone a homophobe/racist/sexist is the very foundation of conversation a progressive/lberal will have with a person that doesnt share his/hers political opinion

It's not just with progressive people/liberals. Take the NRA/conservatives and the gun control debate. Not to open up that can of worms, but they would routinely call people that don't agree with their view as being "unpatriotic" and "un-American". It's really quite sad that you get people who resort to petty insults and name calling just because you don't agree with them, and this is definitely a by-product of political correctness.

Agreed



SxyxS on 31 August 2013

Political correcctness was invented to silence the majority in western countries.

it is the perversion of reason while pretending to be reason.In fact it is kind of inverted racism and it is mindcontrole

And it works really great-at the expense of the majority .The bad old divide and rule game and it is really really pervert,and like every crap in the past 45 years ,hippies,aerobic,daily talkshows it came from the usa and was spread all over the western world.



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naruball on 31 August 2013
the_lonely_gamer_123 said:
naruball said:

I think most people simply don't get it if something doesn't affect them. As someone who grew up been made fun of for being gay, who constantly kept hearing from the media that gays are perverts, whose parents thought that gay equalled doing drugs or being a prostitute, hearing my friends say "oh that's gay" for something that is terrible annoys me beyond words.

You might think that words are meaningless, but just because you have a tougher skin or most likely because those words have nothing to do with you, it doesn't mean that others aren't affected. You might dislike LGBT communities or organizations but it's thanks to them that many gay men have significantly better lives over the years.

It's like joking about AIDS or cancer. If you or your family/close friends have/had neither, it's no big deal. If you've went through it and it was hell, it might affect you differently.

Sure, some times I say the "r" word without thinking and then I realize that the brother of a friend of the group is mentally challenged. Well, it might be an inconvenience, but since I know that it bothers them, I avoid it. I much rather feel like I have less freedom than hurt people even unintentionally.

Hmmm, didn't think about it that way. Obviously I didn't mean to offend you. To be likened to druggies and prostitutes just because of sexual orientation by anyone is terrible, let alone your parents. There are some positives in political correctness, considering 20-30 years ago it was thought that gay people were the ones to blame for AIDS, things have definitely come a long way since. I'm not anti-LGBT, I just don't like the constant judging and prejudices that rise from abusing political correctness, which is not a knock specifically at LGBT organizations/communities. The abuse of political correctness occurs mostly in a racial or religious context, and not a sexual orientation context.

Interesting you bring up cancer. I see calling someone a cancer (often done in sports to explain premadonnas, for example, Terrell Owens is a team cancer) is just the same as saying "oh, the bus came 2 minutes early, that's so gay". Either use of the word shouldn't be deemed as being inconsiderate or homophobic I don't personally think.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I definitely agree with you to a great extent. This political correctness annoys me too. Even from LGBT when they go overboard. And I'm not overly sensitive. My straight friends and I call each other f****ts all the time. But I do hate the "that's so gay" expression. When for example, I say "oh, maybe you shouldn't do that; it might hurt his (a common friend's) feelings". And they respond with "gayyyy" (as in, "dudes don't worry about stuff like that". Well I'm gay and I can't help it), I seriously wanna punch them in the face.

Anyway, I think that political correctness is by and large bad, but because of it more good than harm is caused. No one is born a racist, a hompophobe, etc. It's all influence from the society and if people are not exposed to hateful remarks in their everyday life, I believe that they won't repeat those mean statements. As I said, I think jokes between friends are fine, but in the media unfortunately  one needs to be forced to be more careful. For example. when I talk to my supervisor I can never say such jokes because it's simply unacceptable. Interviews are part of their job.



Zappykins on 01 September 2013
the_lonely_gamer_123 said:
Zappykins said:
Yes, for the most part it is a good thing. To dehumanize or marginalize others isn't a good thing. It is often misunderstood though and misused.

This isn't people sitting together and having a beer. This is a media event.

In my experience usually the people that complain are the ones that are upset they can not oppress others anymore. Like they guy upset he can't beat and rape is wife because she is not longer 'property' but a 'human being.'

In some cases, obviously a level of political correctness is needed. I for one don't see women as property, and have no respect for rapists, who I value as much or even less than I value murderers. But political correctness does lead to some crazy double standards, ones that are often feminist or pro-LGBT.

Take this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JA4EPRbWhQ . On national TV, Sharon Osbourne was making fun of castrating guys and didn't really get any flack for it. Imagine if a guy said anything of the like. Evidently, political correctness isn't equitable or "correct". 

But that would be an example of non-political correctness - this is bias.  Language used to marginalize another human being - in this case a man - and to laugh at his mutilation. I wish I could watch just the Sharon clip, with out so much of that angry guy trying to tell me how to think.

I do not know what you mean by "feminist or pro-LGBT." Do you have examples, or are you referring to ones like the video?  Which I would say is absolutely not politically correct but the very thing it is trying to fight. 

Personally, for example, if I find out someone is getting married, I use non-gender specific language like 'fiance' or 'future spouse'  if I do not know whom they are to marry.  Do you think that is pro-LGBT?  I think it is just being respectful. 



 

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killerzX on 01 September 2013
Slimebeast said:
It's disgusting and I hate it. It's a cheap, holier-than-thou attitude displayed by people who in reality are intolerant and controlling, and who have small hearts and selfish personalities.


this. perfectly stated.



Red4ADevil on 01 September 2013

I pretty much agree with you (OP) and NightDragon83.......That's why (currently) I tend to hate political correctness with a passion.

(like you stated) Instead of it being used help benefit society, it's baing used to suppress the rest of us on what we get to say. You can no longer say things like gay, fag, or even negro (which is literally spanish for black) or you will get a lot of flak (no pun intended). To me, PC it's just a another way (psychologically) to suppress that part of the mind where the it is just too painful to confront. So you block it instead of confronting it.

It really does create double standards which I also hate. Group A can't say "this," but group B can. All they are, are elitists. They don't like it when others don't say it the way they want it so they put a gun to their head (figuratively) and force them to comply.



wick on 01 September 2013

My parents taught me that "sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me"

Political correctness can go fuck itself.



 

 

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