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Do you believe political correctness is good for society?

Yes 9 11.39%
 
No 70 88.61%
 
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IIIIITHE1IIIII on 31 August 2013

No. Ideally, there should be no such thing.

There are cases where politically incorrect opinions are outright uninformed and offensive, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to be expressed. Otherwise they won't be countered, and the people holding these opinions will believe that the politically correct are afraid of the "truth".

The thing is though that the politically incorrect opinions sometimes are (well, I'd even say more often than not) perfectly valid, and that the politically correct debaters indeed are afraid of the truth. This is why an open discussion is so important: It separates the truth from lies and baseless opinions.



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badgenome on 31 August 2013

Political correctness is great. I love watching supposed adults such as celebrities and politicians grovel shamelessly for forgiveness after making some off hand comment that didn't actually offend anyone but a few people pretended to be offended anyway because feigning offense has become the western world's favorite past time. It's hilarious. Why would you want to take that away from me?



Jay520 on 31 August 2013

Within reason, sure.



the_lonely_gamer_123 on 31 August 2013
naruball said:

I think most people simply don't get it if something doesn't affect them. As someone who grew up been made fun of for being gay, who constantly kept hearing from the media that gays are perverts, whose parents thought that gay equalled doing drugs or being a prostitute, hearing my friends say "oh that's gay" for something that is terrible annoys me beyond words.

You might think that words are meaningless, but just because you have a tougher skin or most likely because those words have nothing to do with you, it doesn't mean that others aren't affected. You might dislike LGBT communities or organizations but it's thanks to them that many gay men have significantly better lives over the years.

It's like joking about AIDS or cancer. If you or your family/close friends have/had neither, it's no big deal. If you've went through it and it was hell, it might affect you differently.

Sure, some times I say the "r" word without thinking and then I realize that the brother of a friend of the group is mentally challenged. Well, it might be an inconvenience, but since I know that it bothers them, I avoid it. I much rather feel like I have less freedom than hurt people even unintentionally.

Hmmm, didn't think about it that way. Obviously I didn't mean to offend you. To be likened to druggies and prostitutes just because of sexual orientation by anyone is terrible, let alone your parents. There are some positives in political correctness, considering 20-30 years ago it was thought that gay people were the ones to blame for AIDS, things have definitely come a long way since. I'm not anti-LGBT, I just don't like the constant judging and prejudices that rise from abusing political correctness, which is not a knock specifically at LGBT organizations/communities. The abuse of political correctness occurs mostly in a racial or religious context, and not a sexual orientation context.

Interesting you bring up cancer. I see calling someone a cancer (often done in sports to explain premadonnas, for example, Terrell Owens is a team cancer) is just the same as saying "oh, the bus came 2 minutes early, that's so gay". Either use of the word shouldn't be deemed as being inconsiderate or homophobic I don't personally think.



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the_lonely_gamer_123 on 31 August 2013
badgenome said:

Political correctness is great. I love watching supposed adults such as celebrities and politicians grovel shamelessly for forgiveness after making some off hand comment that didn't actually offend anyone but a few people pretended to be offended anyway because feigning offense has become the western world's favorite past time. It's hilarious. Why would you want to take that away from me?

Hahahaha, definitely with you there. It's entertaining because of how ridiculous the whole situation is. Take Roy Hibbert for instance, he even reached out to the only openly gay North American pro sports player in Jason Collins upon apologizing to everyone for saying "no homo". Was that necessary, reaching out to a gay guy just because you said "no homo" in an interview? In our society, yes. And it's entertaining to people like me or you, sitting back and watching the fireworks.



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the_lonely_gamer_123 on 31 August 2013
JayWood2010 said:
the_lonely_gamer_123 said:
JayWood2010 said:
I dont have much to say on the topic, but Roy Hibbert was a beast in the playoffs XD He proved that he is one of the best, if not the best defensive men in the game. The Great Wall of Hibbert.

But for your answer, he is a celebrity and a hero to many young people. He gets paid a lot of money and they expect you to be professional on and off the court. No it may not have been fair and personally I dont agree with it but he will need to learn to not make such jokes. Even though we know it is only a joke it is still a professional sport. When you are professional you are expected to act professional. And unfortunately for him, being on camera is a part of his job.

I understand this, but the fact that his "y'all mfs don't watch us play" comment was treated much lesser than his "I let LeBron stretch me out no homo" comment clearly shows that there's a double standard, and it's not just a matter of being professional. I see the first statement as being less professional than the no homo joke personally, but that's definitely not what the rest of society thought.

Maybe it was just me paying more attention to the media at the time but I noticed them talking more about "You mf's don't watch us play" much more than him saying no homo.  At the time it was all over ESPN and Sports Center so i dont believe on or the other got more media.  The media didnt agree with either one, however some did agree that him saying they dont watch them was a true comment which is why they didnt have as much negative to say maybe.

Huh, really? That's definitely not what I saw, the "no homo" comment seemed to garner more criticism, while the other statement was largely ignored. Lots of comments on ESPN and other NBA/sports boards were like "I like how no one cared about his 'y'all mf's don't watch us play' comment". But I suppose Canadian sports coverage differs from what you get in the States. TSN (Canadian ESPN essentially) didn't even show the mf comment, only showed the "no homo" comment. Too busy with the NHL playoffs I suppose, but clearly one comment was prioritized over the other.



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badgenome on 31 August 2013
the_lonely_gamer_123 said:

Hahahaha, definitely with you there. It's entertaining because of how ridiculous the whole situation is. Take Roy Hibbert for instance, he even reached out to the only openly gay North American pro sports player in Jason Collins upon apologizing to everyone for saying "no homo". Was that necessary, reaching out to a gay guy just because you said "no homo" in an interview? In our society, yes. And it's entertaining to people like me or you, sitting back and watching the fireworks.

Yeah, that's always my favorite part. It's wrong to treat all members of a certain group as if they are all the same, but whenever someone say something "offensive" it's standard procedure to run and apologize to a prominent member of that group to receive absolution. Like Paula Deen going to Jesse Jackson so he could forgive her on behalf of all black people.

It must be hard for satirists these days when reality is beyond satire.



Jaywood2010 on 31 August 2013
the_lonely_gamer_123 said:
JayWood2010 said:
the_lonely_gamer_123 said:

Maybe it was just me paying more attention to the media at the time but I noticed them talking more about "You mf's don't watch us play" much more than him saying no homo.  At the time it was all over ESPN and Sports Center so i dont believe on or the other got more media.  The media didnt agree with either one, however some did agree that him saying they dont watch them was a true comment which is why they didnt have as much negative to say maybe.

Huh, really? That's definitely not what I saw, the "no homo" comment seemed to garner more criticism, while the other statement was largely ignored. Lots of comments on ESPN and other NBA/sports boards were like "I like how no one cared about his 'y'all mf's don't watch us play' comment". But I suppose Canadian sports coverage differs from what you get in the States. TSN (Canadian ESPN essentially) didn't even show the mf comment, only showed the "no homo" comment. Too busy with the NHL playoffs I suppose, but clearly one comment was prioritized over the other.

Yeah we barely get any Hockey coverage here haha  But they made a pretty big deal about the you mf comment a lot (from what I had seen).




       

Kane1389 on 31 August 2013
Zappykins said:
Yes, for the most part it is a good thing. To dehumanize or marginalize others isn't a good thing. It is often misunderstood though and misused.

This isn't people sitting together and having a beer. This is a media event.

In my experience usually the people that complain are the ones that are upset they can not oppress others anymore. Like they guy upset he can't beat and rape is wife because she is not longer 'property' but a 'human being.'


So having a joke about his fellow basketball player equals to raping and beating a woman ???

 



the_lonely_gamer_123 on 31 August 2013
Kane1389 said:
Zappykins said:
Yes, for the most part it is a good thing. To dehumanize or marginalize others isn't a good thing. It is often misunderstood though and misused.

This isn't people sitting together and having a beer. This is a media event.

In my experience usually the people that complain are the ones that are upset they can not oppress others anymore. Like they guy upset he can't beat and rape is wife because she is not longer 'property' but a 'human being.'


So having a joke about his fellow basketball player equals to raping and beating a woman ???

 

Might be an exaggeration, but it proves a point. Obviously, those two things are not one and the same, but Roy Hibbert was called out by some as a homophobe for making a joke like that, which is totally ridiculous. It feels like people can't make any joke without being called a homophobe, a sexist, a racist, a prejudist, etc.



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