What? All companies take ideas that work from one another.

Nintendo do the innovation, Sony improve upon the innovation.

Sometimes it works (Dualshock), sometimes it fails (PSABR).

It has very little to do with sales.

It seems my post's irony flew over your head.

ps1 and ps2 had an almost monopoly of the third party franchises that made snes a success.

you are saying things like the are fact while you have no data or prove what so ever that sony lost money on move. however here are the facts.

1- 15 million units sold of a peripheral, peripherals are sold at a profit, they all are. it makes no sense to sell them at a loss, even if they are sold at discounted price, that price still takes in a profit.

2- Sony are still supporting the move, suggesting that the peripheral did infanct make profit and was a success. they showed the move off in the announcement of the PS4 and said it is in their plans to continue to support the move with the PS4. the fact they made a new 3D camera that works with the move further proves that it did infact succeed. were is your evidence that it lost money? were is your evidence that there is a lack of move inventory in stores? how does it have a short life if they are planning to continue it with the PS4?

@bolded. haa! thats a good joke

I don't remember any sony rip-off selling more than the original Nintendo idea.

About the question, because the Nintendo consoles you mention doesn't have the same third party support than the sony ones.

And finally, the Wii was a beast. It shows how Nintendo with the right output and few but key third party support can still output the sony consoles.

even the N64/gbc had a prototype that became the gc/gba connection.

1. Not exactly... I worked retail when they were pushing the move in 2011.  They had a representative who worked with Sony, JUST pushing Move stuff.  He was actually a phenomenal salesman.  He almost made me forget the move was awful.  Assuming he made about 15 dollars an hour, and he worked five days a week 6 hours a day, then you figure he made about 450 a week.  Despite how good he was, we didn't sell much move stuff.  Partially because we didn't receive much, and partially because noone really wanted it.  So, lets say Sony sold 15 moves a week through our store and made 20 dollars off each.  They made $300 off hardware, but they spent $450 in advertising.

So, even if they sold each move controller for less than it cost to manufacture, that doesn't mean they recovered the money they spend for R&D, software development, advertising, vendor kickbacks, and so on so forth.  Margin (the difference between sale price and manufacturing cost) is different than profit (how much of that money goes to your bottom line after paying employees, doing ads, and so forth).  That's not to mention more useful stuff they could have been doing with the time and effort.

2.  Point to some meaningful implementation of the move since Wonderbook (flop) or Sorcery (flop).  Right now, Sony is not giving the device any meaningful support.  Support was almost nonexistant past 2011, so I call that a short life.  Maybe someone in Sony has some vague fantasy of using the Move for the PS4.  Maybe someone in the company is too stubborn to admit it didn't work.  But, until I actually see meaningful support, then I don't believe it's going to happen.  As far as I know, the only move games for the PS4 will be Just Dance 2014 and the pack in Play Room.  My instincts tell me that PSMove support will be like Remote Play between the PSP and PS3.  Something Sony talks about that never really comes to fruition.  At any rate, the PS Move will be completely dead by 2015. (IMO of course).

PS all stars is more inspired by SSB.

Thats like saying all shooters are a rip off of doom or what ever guy thought it up first.

1- The 3DS is selling rather horribly where i live, infact, i never ever seen anybody buy it, have it or play games on it anywhere. most stores dont have it and nobody even bothers to market it. moral of the story? you cant determine the success of an object based on your local store. and really the counter of your entire point is, good thing it sold 15 million then. 

2- just because you havent heard much of the support that sony gives to PS move doesnt mean it doesnt excist. here is a full list of games http://www.squidoo.com/ps3-move-game-list 

now does sony support PS move as much as they can? certainly not, i am not saying they do. but you are saying they dont at all, which simply isnt true. 

PS move bombed, thats the post i commented on saying it wasnt true, and still no evidence what so ever was given to support that false claim. in contrast i have many evidence that it didnt. i didnt say it was as successful as the Wii controller or kinect, i didnt say it was this huge success. but it certainly didnt "bomb"