the2real4mafol said:
killerzX said:
the2real4mafol said:
Kasz216 said: While this is very long... you didn't actually provide any real arguements.
Why should someone who does the same job, just as well get paid more or less depending on how well other people do their job?
As for Germany... guess what Germany doesn't have. Minimum Wage.
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Germany have very strong unions instead that's why
But with all the right wing bullshit in American media, that would never work as for some reason Unions are demonised in America, most of the time.
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you are ridiculous. Unions have incredible clout and power. Most states people are forced against their will to join the union, depending on the job. It just so happens when you let the free market do its job, and give people the choice whether or not to be in the union nearly all the time they choose not to be in the union. Because people making rational choices for themselves dont see the value.
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if you are so sure that i am wrong, prove it. Show me an economy is free and isn't controlled by government or unions and is successful today or was successful at one point. As far as i know the free market is a myth, it is always controlled in some way. Monopolies and slavery in the past, today regulations, subsidies and trade unions.
Also, what's wrong with people working together as a collective? And where i come from, workers aren't forced to join anything.
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nothing. nothing is wrong with union. i just dont want people to be forced to be in a union. Given the choice. people generally opt out, because unions are corupt polictical entities that for the past 50 years, had had no incentive to be usefull for the people the supposedly represent.
when you dont have a guaranteed membership base (like the currently do now) they will be forced to improve their "product" or else they will fade into irrelevency.
some goes for businesses, and those dreaded evil corporations. When the freakin government gets involved and either tries to create a market for something, where there just isnt one (read: most green energy/ solar panel companies) or incentivize bad business decisions (like givng risky loans to people who cant afford it or the house), or government just saying screw it, do what ever bad decision you want, make the Volt, etc, if it doesnt pan out for you, we will bail you out.
the free market creates accountability. forces it in fact.