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What came first the chicken or the egg?

Dinosaurs skeletons in museums where did they come from?

If all the Gods people believe in are real how many Gods ar there?

The only thing that could convince me there is a God if if I met one.



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Komodo said:


The only thing that could convince me there is a God if if I met one.
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Shade said:
I’m surprised at the different opinions on this subject I expected something entirely different. Sorry about the premature post ( I was about to post something totally different from this). Ok let me get started, I would like to say that I for one agree that there is a God, the world that we live in is too intriguingly creative to just be created out of a series of random events. If you think about it for a minute you will see what I’m talking about, practically everything in this world exist with something or someone taking care of it. Think about it what happens if you leave food out? It spoils right? But if you warp it up and put it in the refrigerator it stays fresh. This is a small example of what I’m getting at, the world works more this way the you imagine. In the animal kingdom (I’ll use lions as examples) the male and the female lions mate (not going into details here but afterwards a baby cub is born). The mother then nurtures her young while the father hunts for food, now what will happen if the parents never existed? Now skipping all of the little things that would happen and going straight for the main thing for one the cub would cease to exist. If there’s no parents there can be no baby, why am I saying this well the main theory behind evolution is to excluding the existence of a God of any kind and to bring forth the Big Bang theory. The very idea of nothingness creating everything contradicts everything this world is built upon. If something created this world randomly how would it create it so divinely? Surely an explosion would not create something that is so complex and so detailed from the structure to the inhabitants. I feel we weren’t just spawned here from some random explosion of nothingness , no we were created by God.

These are my beliefs/theories if you disagree with them feel free to reply.

P.S. it is really late here I don’t even know why a still awake I’m going to bed now but I’ll read any replies that I get later today (I have a feeling that this thread isn’t going anywhere soon).

I haven't read through this thread, just the last few posts, so I don't know what has already been said, but it is quite clear that you don't understand how evolution works. There are no "random events"; evolution is the result of natural selection. Evolution does not exclude the existence of God, it just ignores it (because it is, by it's very nature, impossible to prove one way or another - hence why the belief is so pervasive). It does exclude the frankly ridiculous notion that God created the heavens and earth in 6 days and that God created Adam and Eve as the first man and woman. Genetic research has proven that homo sapiens and homo neanderthalensis diverged from the same species several hundred thousand years ago (confirming Darwin's theory). The Big Bang theory is in no way related to the theory of evolution. They don't even belong to the same scientific field (big bang = physics, evolution = biology).

Saying "surely an explosion would not create something that is so complex and so detailed from the structure to the inhabitants" just proves that you are ignorant on the subject. One may as well say "surely God would not create something that is so complex and so detailed from the structure to the inhabitants." Why not? Why "surely"? Just because you don't understand something, that doesn't mean it is not true.

I don't personally believe in God, but as it is impossible to prove one way or the other, I cannot definitely rule out the theoretical possibility. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. On the other hand, much of what religions "teach" us is demonstrably false (creation myths etc.) and people's blind faith in these obvious fallacies prohibits scientific enquiry. I am therefore a lot more keen to listen to the words of an atheist scientist like Richard Dawkins than I am a religious figurehead spouting nonsense from a heavily edited collection of spurious morality tales written over a thousand years ago (by commitee in the case of The Bible).

There is nothing wrong with believing in God, but trying to suggest there is evidence for the existence of a divine being is absurd.

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Correcting the title: Evidence for the existence of God--there is none.



I ROFL @ the "evidence" and even if there is a god, what shows us that it is the god from the bible.
And last, why do people care? Is it because they find their lives pointless without something beyond their "physical reality"?



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OT7 said:
@O_o In fact,is very hard to find a "true atheism" the most of people believes in whatever they like,to be a real a atheist you must not believe in ANYTHING that could create,rule or manage you,many things don´t believe in God but believe in "destiny" they don't are atheists because they believe that something "superior" to them guides their lives,just denie God's existence by any means or only by instinct doesn't prove anything to all of you that don't believe in God,you got to have better arguments to prove the non-existence of God because is more easy to accept and prove the existence of something superior to all of us than just ignore the facts,just quoting and say that "God is fake" just for your comfort of not search the truth about everything in Universe is silly,it's like I tell the people that the moon is made of cheese,even with all the present and already know facts about this sentence,I can refuge myself quoting that "I have never gone to the moon and just say what I think,because I just don't have to believe what others people or evidences tell me".Nothing is more hard to beat than a closed mind,well;except God ,he/she/it is superior to everything ;)

Aethism isn't denying that anything is superior to yourself, it's accepting that everything is equal.

And proof that "God" doesn't exists lies in the same preachings.  Why would a "higher" form of existance damn someone to hell for being that which he created unless he himself is insecure or not in control.  It disproves omnipotence itself.



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Ive joined this topic far too late; I studied the philosophy of religion last year and there aresome pretty good arguments for the existence of God but they all have their flaws.

I don't believe God exists; not because of the state of the world, but because it seems perfectly logical to me to see that he has been fabricated by people who didnt understand how the world worked and needed an answer for it. The only reason we need God now is because the afterlife is uncertain; if we ever find what happens out (and it isnt going to heaven or hell), religion is out of the window.

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I am a Christian.  I believe that those individuals that truly read the Bible and make a realistic attempt to understand it (i.e. not find an obscure verse and interperet it to me Jesus was a racist, but rather look at supporting evidence of the true meaning of the verse) will believe in the Bible.  Most atheists go in with the attitude to prove it wrong.  Although sometimes their hearts are changed (Case for Christ).  However, religion is called faith for a reason.  While God certainly could show himself to you, it may not be the way an individual wishes it to be.  And many people, unfortunately require things their way.  So I will continue to focus my main problems with the belief of an existance without God. 

 1.  Any belief without God is a belief that spontaneous generation lead to evolution.  The big bang theory is interesting in that all objects have gravity and thus pull themselves together.  Why then is our galaxy becoming larger and our galaxy speeding away from the "big bang"?  Notwithstanding there is no reason to believe in spontaneous generation.  And evolution may have a few small victories (i.e. different species of birds) but there is no long term proof of it working.  I.E. most genetic mutations are exceedingly negative.  There are no middle ground creatures between say an ape and a man (I know they were supposed to die out but we find dinosaur bones, absolutely no proof unless you say an ape had man babies and the man babies mated and became superior.) 

2.  Any belief without God is a belief in a world without morals.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualism "

Individualism is a term used to describe a moral, political, or social outlook that stresses human independence and the importance of individual self-reliance and liberty. Individualists promote the exercise of individual goals and desires. They oppose most external interference with an individual's choices - whether by society, the state, or any other group or institution. Individualism is therefore opposed to holism, collectivism, fascism, communalism, statism, totalitarianism, and communitarianism, which stress that communal, group, societal, racial, or national goals should take priority over individual goals. Individualism is also opposed to the view that tradition, religion, or any other form of external moral standard should be used to limit an individual's choice of actions.

Individualism has a controversial relationship with egoism (selfishness). While some individualists are egoists, they usually do not argue that selfishness is inherently good. Rather, some argue that individuals are not duty-bound to any socially-imposed morality and that individuals should be free to choose to be selfish (or to choose any other lifestyle) if they so desire. Others still, such as Ayn Rand, argue against moral relativism and argue selfishness is a virtue."

If I didn't believe in God, but instead believed that I was the highest authority of myself and that my time was limited, I would be an egoist.  People would argue that atheists are really group theorists and want was is best for the group, thus creating their own set of morals slightly different than Christain morals, but that just doesn't make much sense to me.  A world w/o religion is a world of chaos to me.  If you could convince me that Christianity was not true (good luck), then I wouldn't think twice about stealing, lieing, or doing whatever I could to get ahead.  Because without a God that's all I would have to look forward to.   



See, that's where I disagree with views like yours cleveland124.

Any belief without a God figure doesn't mean that spontaneous generation occurred. It could also mean that something or someone did create something in the past, but that being may be dead or is capable of dying. Just as Atheism is a leveling of the playing field. As an Atheist I don't rule out that there may be something in control of us indirectly, but I believe that that being or collection of beings is capable of death and it not infallible as religion would have you believe.

And a Godless person is NOT a person without morals. As individuals, we can live without other people, but we can live a better life with people. Morally, if you go around killing other people, you detriment your own life by taking away the collective social environment. This is why, I think, religious people are actually the egotists, assuming that a world without God is a world of chaos because people would not control themselves. Natural selection would weed out the societies that followed chaos and only those intelligent enough to understand that a collective group is stable and healthier would live on. You see this in the animal kingdom with packs, herds, and the like.



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WTF why do people who believe in god demand on pushing there beliefs. IMO no god exists, has existed or will ever exist. I actually get very offended now when people tell me I'm wrong and I am a heathen and that I live an immoral life because I do not believe in a god. It drives me insane.