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Play4Fun on 30 August 2013
iamdeath said:
Play4Fun said:
iamdeath said:

lol at saying wii-u is not much less powerfull then PS4 and x1, there is a huge difference. wii-u struggles to just be at par with ps3, a 7 year old console with its poor cpu.

It is one of the reasons most third parties are avoiding it.

 

This is well documented. Funny how everyone thinks they are a tech expert...


You love making bullshit claims and then dissapearing once someone proves you wrong, don't you?

Wii U struggles to be on par with PS3. Unbelieavable the bullshit you come up with.

Where was I proved wrong?

 

The Wii-u CPU is very weak, by a WIDE margin compared to the PS3. Overall the wii-u is on par, at best only slightly more powerfull then the 7 year old PS3. Many multi-plats look the same or worse on wii-u, and a few look slightly better.

 

People who have no clue about hardware should not post about it.

 

So I cannot live on a internet forum and that is supposed to mean something? I have a life, sorry.

 

http://kotaku.com/5896614/wii-u-on-par-with-360-ps3-so-far-says-darksiders-developer

 

I'll trust a developer over you.

A 2012 article back when devs were still using changing devkits and we were getting confusing back and forth reports on Wii U's hardware. Well done.

Let Shinen drop some truth bombs on you.

The Wii U GPU is several generations ahead of the current gen. It allows many things that were not possible on consoles before. If you develop for Wii U you have to take advantage of these possibilities, otherwise your performance is of course limited. Also your engine layout needs to be different. You need to take advantage of the large shared memory of the Wii U, the huge and very fast EDRAM section and the big CPU caches in the cores. Especially the workings of the CPU caches are very important to master. Otherwise you can lose a magnitude of power for cache relevant parts of your code. In the end the Wii U specs fit perfectly together and make a very efficient console when used right.

Funny how you say, "  People who have no clue about hardware should not post about it."

A person with half a brain can compare the specs of Wii U and PS3 and see that Wii U is obviously more powerful.



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Zero999 on 30 August 2013
Captain_Tom said:
Zero999 said:
richardhutnik said:
I would also add here that Nintendo is with the second screen, the way that Microsoft is with Kinect 2.0. Both MUST be a must-have differentiator, or they don't win. Off chance of exclusive or something else, but the second screen and Kinect 2.0 are the big deal. Nintendo is only $50 less expensive with inferior hardware.

bolded: that's not true at all since games are what matter.

bolded 2: even before the price cut announcement, it was always $100 less. 299 with no game or 349 with one game. and of course the hardware is inferior, but not that much.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   I cannot believe the the sillyness of some people who honestly think the PS4 isn't atleast 9-12 times stronger than the Wii U.  OMG thanks for the laughs guys...

ps4 isnt even 9x stronger than ps3, how can you possibly say it is 9-12 the wii u, wich surpasses ps3 with both arms tied?



iamdeath on 30 August 2013
Play4Fun said:
iamdeath said:
Play4Fun said:
iamdeath said:

lol at saying wii-u is not much less powerfull then PS4 and x1, there is a huge difference. wii-u struggles to just be at par with ps3, a 7 year old console with its poor cpu.

It is one of the reasons most third parties are avoiding it.

 

This is well documented. Funny how everyone thinks they are a tech expert...


You love making bullshit claims and then dissapearing once someone proves you wrong, don't you?

Wii U struggles to be on par with PS3. Unbelieavable the bullshit you come up with.

Where was I proved wrong?

 

The Wii-u CPU is very weak, by a WIDE margin compared to the PS3. Overall the wii-u is on par, at best only slightly more powerfull then the 7 year old PS3. Many multi-plats look the same or worse on wii-u, and a few look slightly better.

 

People who have no clue about hardware should not post about it.

 

So I cannot live on a internet forum and that is supposed to mean something? I have a life, sorry.

 

http://kotaku.com/5896614/wii-u-on-par-with-360-ps3-so-far-says-darksiders-developer

 

I'll trust a developer over you.

A 2012 article back when devs were still using changing devkits and we were getting confusing back and forth reports on Wii U's hardware. Well done.

Let Shinen drop some truth bombs on you.

The Wii U GPU is several generations ahead of the current gen. It allows many things that were not possible on consoles before. If you develop for Wii U you have to take advantage of these possibilities, otherwise your performance is of course limited. Also your engine layout needs to be different. You need to take advantage of the large shared memory of the Wii U, the huge and very fast EDRAM section and the big CPU caches in the cores. Especially the workings of the CPU caches are very important to master. Otherwise you can lose a magnitude of power for cache relevant parts of your code. In the end the Wii U specs fit perfectly together and make a very efficient console when used right.

Funny how you say, "  People who have no clue about hardware should not post about it."

A person with half a brain can compare the specs of Wii U and PS3 and see that Wii U is obviously more powerful.


No they can't it's about architecture. A systems is ONLY as fast as it's slowest component. There is a reason the Metro devs said the wii-u CPU was too slow for their game.

 

 

The PS3 Cell is WAY more powerfull, wii-u has a memory advantage., Congrast at being maybe slightly more powerfull then a 7 year old console...I guess.



zorg1000 on 30 August 2013

 

I have a life, sorry.

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Play4Fun on 30 August 2013
iamdeath said:
Play4Fun said:
iamdeath said:
Play4Fun said:
iamdeath said:

lol at saying wii-u is not much less powerfull then PS4 and x1, there is a huge difference. wii-u struggles to just be at par with ps3, a 7 year old console with its poor cpu.

It is one of the reasons most third parties are avoiding it.

 

This is well documented. Funny how everyone thinks they are a tech expert...


You love making bullshit claims and then dissapearing once someone proves you wrong, don't you?

Wii U struggles to be on par with PS3. Unbelieavable the bullshit you come up with.

Where was I proved wrong?

 

The Wii-u CPU is very weak, by a WIDE margin compared to the PS3. Overall the wii-u is on par, at best only slightly more powerfull then the 7 year old PS3. Many multi-plats look the same or worse on wii-u, and a few look slightly better.

 

People who have no clue about hardware should not post about it.

 

So I cannot live on a internet forum and that is supposed to mean something? I have a life, sorry.

 

http://kotaku.com/5896614/wii-u-on-par-with-360-ps3-so-far-says-darksiders-developer

 

I'll trust a developer over you.

A 2012 article back when devs were still using changing devkits and we were getting confusing back and forth reports on Wii U's hardware. Well done.

Let Shinen drop some truth bombs on you.

The Wii U GPU is several generations ahead of the current gen. It allows many things that were not possible on consoles before. If you develop for Wii U you have to take advantage of these possibilities, otherwise your performance is of course limited. Also your engine layout needs to be different. You need to take advantage of the large shared memory of the Wii U, the huge and very fast EDRAM section and the big CPU caches in the cores. Especially the workings of the CPU caches are very important to master. Otherwise you can lose a magnitude of power for cache relevant parts of your code. In the end the Wii U specs fit perfectly together and make a very efficient console when used right.

Funny how you say, "  People who have no clue about hardware should not post about it."

A person with half a brain can compare the specs of Wii U and PS3 and see that Wii U is obviously more powerful.


No they can't it's about architecture. A systems is ONLY as fast as it's slowest component. There is a reason the Metro devs said the wii-u CPU was too slow for their game.

 

 

The PS3 Cell is WAY more powerfull, wii-u has a memory advantage., Congrast at being maybe slightly more powerfull then a 7 year old console...I guess.


The PS3 cell is also more powerful than PS4 and One's CPUs in some ways. It's not as well suited specifically for gaming purposes as the CPU of WiiU/PS4 or One though. Try again.

Also, the Wii U CPU is weaker than the GPU because the GPGPU now does tasks CPUs used to do. It's designed that way. All the next geen CPUs are, so you are wrong with the "A systems is ONLY as fast as it's slowest component." thing.

Just cut the bullshit.



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Zero999 on 30 August 2013
iamdeath said:

lol at saying wii-u is not much less powerfull then PS4 and x1, there is a huge difference. wii-u struggles to just be at par with ps3, a 7 year old console with its poor cpu.

It is one of the reasons most third parties are avoiding it.

 

This is well documented. Funny how everyone thinks they are a tech expert...

one doesn't need to be a tech expert to observe things.

bolded: keep saying it to yourself. Curé Syndrome might strike.



Zero999 on 30 August 2013
iamdeath said:
Play4Fun said:
iamdeath said:

lol at saying wii-u is not much less powerfull then PS4 and x1, there is a huge difference. wii-u struggles to just be at par with ps3, a 7 year old console with its poor cpu.

It is one of the reasons most third parties are avoiding it.

 

This is well documented. Funny how everyone thinks they are a tech expert...


You love making bullshit claims and then dissapearing once someone proves you wrong, don't you?

Wii U struggles to be on par with PS3. Unbelieavable the bullshit you come up with.

Where was I proved wrong?

The Wii-u CPU is very weak, by a WIDE margin compared to the PS3. Overall the wii-u is on par, at best only slightly more powerfull then the 7 year old PS3. Many multi-plats look the same or worse on wii-u, and a few look slightly better.

People who have no clue about hardware should not post about it.

So I cannot live on a internet forum and that is supposed to mean something? I have a life, sorry.

http://kotaku.com/5896614/wii-u-on-par-with-360-ps3-so-far-says-darksiders-developer

I'll trust a developer over you.

that fallacy never gets old, just like this link: http://www.gamespot.com/features/xbox-vs-xbox-360-do-you-really-need-hd-6140621/

so xbox 360 is on par with ps2 since the ps2 ports (surprisingly) weren't much better on it. please stop it.

check the non ps360 ports. mario kart 8 and X are obviously ahead of anything from ps360 and that's not even close to using wii u's full power.



iamdeath on 30 August 2013
Zero999 said:
iamdeath said:
Play4Fun said:
iamdeath said:

lol at saying wii-u is not much less powerfull then PS4 and x1, there is a huge difference. wii-u struggles to just be at par with ps3, a 7 year old console with its poor cpu.

It is one of the reasons most third parties are avoiding it.

 

This is well documented. Funny how everyone thinks they are a tech expert...


You love making bullshit claims and then dissapearing once someone proves you wrong, don't you?

Wii U struggles to be on par with PS3. Unbelieavable the bullshit you come up with.

Where was I proved wrong?

The Wii-u CPU is very weak, by a WIDE margin compared to the PS3. Overall the wii-u is on par, at best only slightly more powerfull then the 7 year old PS3. Many multi-plats look the same or worse on wii-u, and a few look slightly better.

People who have no clue about hardware should not post about it.

So I cannot live on a internet forum and that is supposed to mean something? I have a life, sorry.

http://kotaku.com/5896614/wii-u-on-par-with-360-ps3-so-far-says-darksiders-developer

I'll trust a developer over you.

that fallacy never gets old, just like this link: http://www.gamespot.com/features/xbox-vs-xbox-360-do-you-really-need-hd-6140621/

so xbox 360 is on par with ps2 since the ps2 ports (surprisingly) weren't much better on it. please stop it.

check the non ps360 ports. mario kart 8 and X are obviously ahead of anything from ps360 and that's not even close to using wii u's full power.

No it's only around par because of it's hardware.................................. Uncharted, Killzone look better then Mario kart 8.



Zero999 on 30 August 2013
the-pi-guy said:
iamdeath said:
the-pi-guy said:

Why didn't the PS3 and 360 do the same then?

The 360 does...upscaling is just stretching to fit the screen...if anything it makes it look a bit worse.................... Google it.

No it doesn't, the Wii U does not do the same thing as the 360.  There are several games that actually run natively at 1080p that the Xbox 360 can't.  

CPU wise, the Wii U is behind.  

GPU wise, the Wii U is ahead. 

RAM wise, the Wii U is ahead in some respects and behind in others.  

The CPU is pretty far behind, but it's not very important in comparision to the GPU.  Most games are GPU heavy. 

Overall the systems are PS4>Xbox One>>>Wii U>PS3

I don't recall any news sayng wii u's cpu is worse than last gen. it merely is not the same jump as the gpu, and we all know nintendo chose a gpgpu because it can handle cpu stuff. basically, it's how the console works as a whole that matters.



Captain_Tom on 30 August 2013
Play4Fun said:
Captain_Tom said:
Zero999 said:
richardhutnik said:
I would also add here that Nintendo is with the second screen, the way that Microsoft is with Kinect 2.0. Both MUST be a must-have differentiator, or they don't win. Off chance of exclusive or something else, but the second screen and Kinect 2.0 are the big deal. Nintendo is only $50 less expensive with inferior hardware.

bolded: that's not true at all since games are what matter.

bolded 2: even before the price cut announcement, it was always $100 less. 299 with no game or 349 with one game. and of course the hardware is inferior, but not that much.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   I cannot believe the the sillyness of some people who honestly think the PS4 isn't atleast 9-12 times stronger than the Wii U.  OMG thanks for the laughs guys...


PS4 is at least 9 - 12 times more powerful than Wii U, huh?

 

Care to actually back that up?

Dude the information is everywhere I mean come on.  Hell I'll oblige you a little.  Here is the difference between the GPU's:

-Cores: 320 vs 1152

-Speed: 550MHz vs 800 Mhz

-Bandwidth: 12.8 GB/s vs 176 GB/s

-Manufacturing process: 40nm vs 28nm

(Smaller is better, generally AMD's 28nm architecture in the PS4 is 1.6x faster than the same card manufactured in the 40nm architecture)


The PS4 has 3.6x as many cores running 1.5x faster on a architecture that is 1.6 times faster clock-for-clock.   3.6 x 1.5 x 1.6 = 8.6.  Then throw in the fact that the PS4 has 14x the memory bandwidth and can send multiple instructions per cycle and it should be obvious how much the PS4 steamrolls the Wii U.