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gergroy on 25 August 2013
curl-6 said:
gergroy said:
curl-6 said:

I think you're seriously underestimating the number of Wii U owners who have a PS3 or 360.


Or you are overestimating.  Early adopters are generally fans of the company, pegging 360 and ps3 ownership at roughly a third of the userbase is pretty generous I would think.  

A lot of Wii owners had a PS3/360 already, including those who may have the upgraded to Wii U. One can be a Nintendo fan and still own another brand of console. I have a 360 and I've been a Nintendo fan since I was 4.


Indeed, thats why I said 1 out of 3 wii u owners probably have a ps3 or 360.  That is a lot.  I have worked in retail, i have looked at stats on household numbers and stuff like that.  Im not shooting in the dark here.  It is a somewhat educated guess.  Now i havent worked in retail for a few years, so i dont know hard numbers now or what the wii u numbers are, but i would be incredibly surprised if they were higher than what I said.  The actual number of wii u iwners that also have a ps3 or 360 is probably more like 1 out of 5, but Im being generous for the sake of argument.  



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curl-6 on 25 August 2013
gergroy said:
curl-6 said:

A lot of Wii owners had a PS3/360 already, including those who may have the upgraded to Wii U. One can be a Nintendo fan and still own another brand of console. I have a 360 and I've been a Nintendo fan since I was 4.


Indeed, thats why I said 1 out of 3 wii u owners probably have a ps3 or 360.  That is a lot.  I have worked in retail, i have looked at stats on household numbers and stuff like that.  Im not shooting in the dark here.  It is a somewhat educated guess.  Now i havent worked in retail for a few years, so i dont know hard numbers now or what the wii u numbers are, but i would be incredibly surprised if they were higher than what I said.  The actual number of wii u iwners that also have a ps3 or 360 is probably more like 1 out of 5, but Im being generous for the sake of argument.  

For the sake of argument, let's assume 1 in 3, as you say.

Given GTA5's enormous appeal, that's still going to mean a big chunk of that third will be more inclined to spend money on GTA5 than W101.



gergroy on 25 August 2013
curl-6 said:
gergroy said:
curl-6 said:

A lot of Wii owners had a PS3/360 already, including those who may have the upgraded to Wii U. One can be a Nintendo fan and still own another brand of console. I have a 360 and I've been a Nintendo fan since I was 4.


Indeed, thats why I said 1 out of 3 wii u owners probably have a ps3 or 360.  That is a lot.  I have worked in retail, i have looked at stats on household numbers and stuff like that.  Im not shooting in the dark here.  It is a somewhat educated guess.  Now i havent worked in retail for a few years, so i dont know hard numbers now or what the wii u numbers are, but i would be incredibly surprised if they were higher than what I said.  The actual number of wii u iwners that also have a ps3 or 360 is probably more like 1 out of 5, but Im being generous for the sake of argument.  

For the sake of argument, let's assume 1 in 3, as you say.

Given GTA5's enormous appeal, that's still going to mean a big chunk of that third will be more inclined to spend money on GTA5 than W101.

Meh, this argument is circular and going nowhere.  I belive history would show that big releases on other systems dont really impact nintendo games.  You can look it up if you dont believe me, but for now lets just agree to disagree.



curl-6 on 25 August 2013
gergroy said:

Meh, this argument is circular and going nowhere.  I belive history would show that big releases on other systems dont really impact nintendo games.  You can look it up if you dont believe me, but for now lets just agree to disagree.

Fair enough, we're clearly on different wavelengths.



curl-6 on 26 August 2013
Panama said:
How does Kamiya feel about all this?

Wait for it; his tweets are usually hilarious when he gets fired up.



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archbrix on 26 August 2013
think-man said:
POE said:
It will sell well. You should buy it too

Flopped. :/

Tsutaya Software Sales Rankings: Week 34, 2013 (Aug 19 - Aug 25) 01./NEW [PS3] Super Robot Wars OG Saga: Masou Kishin III - Pride of Justice
 02./NEW [PSV] Conception II: Shichisei no Michibiki to Mazuru no Akumu
 03./01. [3DS] Disney Magic Castle: My Happy Life
 04./NEW [PSV] Super Robot Wars OG Saga: Masou Kishin III - Pride of Justice
 05./02. [3DS] Mario & Luigi: Dream Team
 06./03. [3DS] Youkai Watch
 07./06. [3DS] Friend Collection: New Life
 08./NEW [PS3] Dungeons & Dragons Collection: Mystara Eiyuu Senki
 09./04. [3DS] Ace Attorney 5
 10./12. [PS3] Earth Defense Force 2025
 11./NEW [3DS] Conception II: Shichisei no Michibiki to Mazuru no Akumu
 12./05. [PS3] Dragon's Crown
 13./10. [3DS] Fantasy Life: Link!
 14./09. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf 15./08. [WIU] Pikmin 3
 16./NEW [WIU] The Wonderful 101
 17./07. [3DS] One Piece: Romance Dawn - Bouken no Yoake
 18./18. [PSP] Dangan-Ronpa (PSP the Best)
 19./13. [PSP] Toukiden
 20./21. [PS3] The Last of Us

While that only accounts for two days worth of sales, it's very discouraging... :(

... unless somehow digital sales were abnormally high.



think-man on 26 August 2013
archbrix said:
think-man said:
POE said:
It will sell well. You should buy it too

Flopped. :/

Tsutaya Software Sales Rankings: Week 34, 2013 (Aug 19 - Aug 25) 01./NEW [PS3] Super Robot Wars OG Saga: Masou Kishin III - Pride of Justice
 02./NEW [PSV] Conception II: Shichisei no Michibiki to Mazuru no Akumu
 03./01. [3DS] Disney Magic Castle: My Happy Life
 04./NEW [PSV] Super Robot Wars OG Saga: Masou Kishin III - Pride of Justice
 05./02. [3DS] Mario & Luigi: Dream Team
 06./03. [3DS] Youkai Watch
 07./06. [3DS] Friend Collection: New Life
 08./NEW [PS3] Dungeons & Dragons Collection: Mystara Eiyuu Senki
 09./04. [3DS] Ace Attorney 5
 10./12. [PS3] Earth Defense Force 2025
 11./NEW [3DS] Conception II: Shichisei no Michibiki to Mazuru no Akumu
 12./05. [PS3] Dragon's Crown
 13./10. [3DS] Fantasy Life: Link!
 14./09. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf 15./08. [WIU] Pikmin 3
 16./NEW [WIU] The Wonderful 101
 17./07. [3DS] One Piece: Romance Dawn - Bouken no Yoake
 18./18. [PSP] Dangan-Ronpa (PSP the Best)
 19./13. [PSP] Toukiden
 20./21. [PS3] The Last of Us

While that only accounts for two days worth of sales, it's very discouraging... :(

... unless somehow digital sales were abnormally high.


I doubt that would change much, it couldnt even outsell Pikimin which has been out for a few weeks in Japan. I think Pikimin did around 9k last week in Japan.



 

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Nem on 26 August 2013

One can call it doomed, but we dont really know the development budget. Its not like its a graphically intensive game.



RenSuzugamori on 26 August 2013

I'll just wait 'till the Global Sales are tallied up before making a decision on whether it flopped or not.



think-man on 26 August 2013
Nem said:
One can call it doomed, but we dont really know the development budget. Its not like its a graphically intensive game.


Read that http://www.examiner.com/article/hideki-kamiya-concerned-about-nintendo-s-lack-of-marketing-for-wonderful-101

Kamiya took his frustration to Twitter, saying the company has spent a substantial amount more on Wonderful 101 than they did to make the first Bayonetta title.

they spent 1.5 times what they did on Bayonetta 



 

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