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curl-6 said:
oniyide said:
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:
this whole thing reminds me of No More Heroes, Conduit, Madworld, pretty much any game that is exclusive niche and some people still swear it will sell well. Anyone who thought this game was going to sell needs to really check their love for whatever company they love. The proof is in the pudding, it could leg out but for now...

Conduit wasn't niche, it just wasn't very good.


fair enough, doesnt change the fact that the game got hype that it didnt deserve and people were predicting high numbers that it didnt even come close to matching

You're right, it doesn't change that.

I'm just saying that the reason was because it wasn't a quality game, not because it was too niche or there wasn't an audience.

I would argue those other two werent actual quality either, but quality is subjective and their are a few games that didnt sell that were quality at least to some



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any video reviews in yet? I am curious about it.



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WagnerPaiva said:
any video reviews in yet? I am curious about it.

Gamespot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC8V7Zzep6g

IGN: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Hbjd1QGXRc



I'll buy it. Loved the demo



curl-6 said:
WagnerPaiva said:
any video reviews in yet? I am curious about it.

Gamespot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC8V7Zzep6g

IGN: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Hbjd1QGXRc


thanx, watching right now.



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Gee, it looks messy, not my kind of game. Pikmin 3 looks much cooler



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spemanig said:
I don't think it will sell a lot lifetime, but do I think it will be profitable? Absolutely. But Nintendo doesn't need profitable right now. They need system sellers. They need momentum. Although they started that now with Pikmin 3, the Wonderful 101 will be a big damper on their momentum if they don't start advertising. And real advertising. Not stupid Nintendo Directs that only expose the game to the people who already have the thing pre-ordered.


How can having one more (exclusive, interesting) game on their platform possibly be a damper or hurt them in any way? No, W101 is not a "system seller". Few games on any console honestly are, all by themselves. BUT, having one more quality title on your console, that people can't get on any OTHER console, that can't possibly be anything but a good thing. And it's sales have a better chance if actual "system sellers" like Wind Waker HD (which a lot of people I've talked to seem to have a pretty high interest in getting), like DK, like Mario, like Wii Fit, really do help pull the Wii U's sales out of the trenches and back up to some kind of healthy average. More people owning the console = more chance that people will pick up games for Wii U, period.



TW101 is 16th in Tsutaya game ranking. Probably means sub-10k. Gigantic failure and worst-selling PG game to date in Japan.



oniyide said:
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:
this whole thing reminds me of No More Heroes, Conduit, Madworld, pretty much any game that is exclusive niche and some people still swear it will sell well. Anyone who thought this game was going to sell needs to really check their love for whatever company they love. The proof is in the pudding, it could leg out but for now...

Conduit wasn't niche, it just wasn't very good.


fair enough, doesnt change the fact that the game got hype that it didnt deserve and people were predicting high numbers that it didnt even come close to matching


To be perfectly fair, Conduit sold over half a million copies. It obviosuly made at least a moderate profit, considering that Sega greenlit a sequel. It wasn't a flop, it just wasn't a "Big Hit" either. And quite frankly, for an out of left field, brand new IP from a company known for licensed games, on a system not heavily known for FSP games, I'd say half a mil was pretty decent. Now Conduit 2, THAT was a flop, and for many reasons. For one thing, Sega seemed to abandon it before it even released, they promoted it exactly not at all. And then HVS themselves fucked the game up by completely changing the tone for no real good reason, hiring the dumbass who voices Duke Nukem instead of the first guy, replacing an at least somewhat interesting, series "X-Files" sort of vibe, for a silly, bad-jokes-by-the-dozen crap comedy plot. They changed the look of the hero from a guy in some kind of sleek tech suit that at the very least looked unique, to a shitty looking, generic "Space Marine" armor. You name it. They sold their own game out almost worse than Sega did, because they changed the things that actually WERE good about the first game, and didn't spend enough effort in improving the things that weren't all that great.

As for MadWorld, it was VERY niche, a black & white, uber-violent "Running Man" type game where the objective is to kill people in grusome ways. That was never destined to be a HUGE seller, and yet, it sold over 700k. I'd call that pretty good. And No More Heroes is still to this day the highest selling Suda 51 game. Even 2 on Wii sold considerably better (almost 400k) than the PS3 ports did.

 

And the thing is, Wonderful 101, while the gameplay style itself might be "niche", the graphical look and "Heros fighting robots" theme is much more mainstream and could appeal to a broader audience. I'm not saying it'll sell like hotcakes. But I don't think it'll bomb either. I stand by my 500k lifetime sales prediction.



Flop or not. I will buy it.



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