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Kasz216 said:
badgenome said:
Spoiler alert: we didn't really attack Iraq over WMD.


Of course the real reason we attacked Iraq, or what seems to be the real reason, is so silly nobody believes it.  Afterall, it wasn't oil or other natural resources either, that's all going to the chinese.

 

In reality it was simply.  Bush believed the US Military could be used to install just democracies in countries with dictators... and Iraq was just a good starting point.

Well, in such case he's either an idiot or a scumbag, or both. But I don't believe in good intentions in politics, so he's a scumbag after all, while your reasoning is as silly as "they went for oil". Who needs Iraqi oil in price of military operation of that scale? You simply buy it.



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spurgeonryan said:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/23/us-syria-attack-health-idUSBRE97M0HP20130823

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon_of_mass_destruction

 

Shouldn't we send over 100,000 soldiers after bombing the Hell out of the area like we did in Iraq? Or does the U.S have nothing to gain this time, and no Corrupt President to push Congress to go for it?

I mean..out of Fairness. If we attack one country just from rumors, then why not take any huge action with this? Can America really do one but not the other? Does it work that way?


1. We have a very corrupt President and he has done his best.. and succeded at times to push Congress to do things that Bush would have been impeached and most likely hung for.

 

2. Obama does not want to become the Next G.W. because if he did.. it would represent danger not only to him.. but the Democrat Party in general... after Mid Term Elections... he can send 100 K troops anywhere he wants... including Syria... but to do it now would put the Dems in danger... 

 

3. Obama has to find an excuse... and then when we lose God Knows How Many Soilders... he needs to be able to point the finger and say it's all G.W. and Republicans fault... (Or just Republicans) as he sees fit... so the Millions and Millions will be like.. see what those nasty Republicans are doing again?? If he can't it won't happen..

 

4. We most likely already have troops and spies there.. 

 

5. There is really no gain for Obama's corporations that he supports and supports him.. if there was.. we would already be there... 



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spurgeonryan said:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/23/us-syria-attack-health-idUSBRE97M0HP20130823

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon_of_mass_destruction

 

Shouldn't we send over 100,000 soldiers after bombing the Hell out of the area like we did in Iraq? Or does the U.S have nothing to gain this time, and no Corrupt President to push Congress to go for it?

I mean..out of Fairness. If we attack one country just from rumors, then why not take any huge action with this? Can America really do one but not the other? Does it work that way?

It wasn't even rumors. It was an outright lie. Not having a corrupt president deadset on invading the country before he even BECAME president helps. But even Bush could not have justified an invasion of Iraq without 9/11 and the hysteria that came with it. 9/11 is, unfortunately, what allowed the Iraqi invasion to happen.



No matter what we do in the region, we are damned if we do and damned if we don't.

The reason why Iraq was important to the US is because of:

1. The Chaney Doctrine. A document presented to Pres. George H. W. Bush by then Def. Sec. Chaney and written by then Under Sec. Def. in 1992. It postulated that if you brought democracy to Iraq (which we had crossed over into in the first Gulf War), then the whole region would destabilize because people would see how great democracy is and seek to overthrow their dictatorial and monarchy governments. The result of which would be a favorable relationship with the US and greater access to cheaper oil.

2. George W. Bush's daddy issues. Bush thought and wanted to be a better president than his father.

3. A lie. More a series of lies meant to shore up the reason to go to war.

4. Saddam Hussein. Let's face it, the man stupidly walked into the "trap" the Bush Admin. set for him. He did everything to help make the case for the US. Primarily by throwing UN weapons inspectors out.

So why aren't we invading Syria?

Syria is responsible for just 0.5% the world oil reserves, and there is no one in office to hand oil production rights off to an American company in a no-bid contract as the Bush Administration did with Haliburton in Iraq.



Kasz216 said:

Of course the real reason we attacked Iraq, or what seems to be the real reason, is so silly nobody believes it.  Afterall, it wasn't oil or other natural resources either, that's all going to the chinese.

 

In reality it was simply.  Bush believed the US Military could be used to install just democracies in countries with dictators... and Iraq was just a good starting point.

Basically. What a fucking goof.



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mai said:

Well, in such case he's either an idiot or a scumbag, or both. But I don't believe in good intentions in politics, so he's a scumbag after all, while your reasoning is as silly as "they went for oil". Who needs Iraqi oil in price of military operation of that scale? You simply buy it.

It's not good intentions. The neoconservatives believed it to be in the national interest to have a democratic Middle East.

Yes, they really are that stupid.



3000 Iraqi people died from bombings in the last month alone. They are sooo much better now that 'Merica came in, liberated them, and got rid of their ruthless dictator.

Same goes for Lybia, but without as much US involvement. That was a developed country where people had great schools, housing, health care... Now its a complete mess.

Syria...? Pretty much inevitable that they will be in ruins for the next 20 years no matter what.

Good intentions or not, I really don't know how American people can feel proud about anything their government and army did the middle east for the last 10 years.



badgenome said:
mai said:

Well, in such case he's either an idiot or a scumbag, or both. But I don't believe in good intentions in politics, so he's a scumbag after all, while your reasoning is as silly as "they went for oil". Who needs Iraqi oil in price of military operation of that scale? You simply buy it.

It's not good intentions. The neoconservatives believed it to be in the national interest to have a democratic Middle East.

Yes, they really are that stupid.

So what's the logic behind having democratic Middle East 10 years ago? Why Iraq? Why not Saudi Arabia? Why not 40 years ago? Why democratic Middle East favors national interests of the US in the first place? Why not, say, democratic Central America or whatever?

No, I don't belive theay are stupid (outside public talking heads, of course), they perfectly knew what they were doing.



Kasz216 said:
badgenome said:
Spoiler alert: we didn't really attack Iraq over WMD.


Of course the real reason we attacked Iraq, or what seems to be the real reason, is so silly nobody believes it.  Afterall, it wasn't oil or other natural resources either, that's all going to the chinese.

 

In reality it was simply.  Bush believed the US Military could be used to install just democracies in countries with dictators... and Iraq was just a good starting point.

 

lol-do you really believe what you are writing?

bush and trying to install democracy?the same bush who has deinstalled the democracy in the usa with the patriot act or the same bush whos grandfather Prescott Bush has financed Adolf Hitler or do you mean the US Government that has destroyed democracies in south america in the 70ies and replaced them by dictators.

The invasion of Iraq is just part of a road map .And oil is not the main point but the military control of the strategically very important near east.

In 2007 Wesley Clark has predicted that 7 arab countries will fall within 5 years(easy to be fou.d on youtube).4 of these 7 countries were already "changed" and the remaining 3 countries(Syria,libanon,iran)are about to fall.Wesley clark is no conspiracy theorist but 4 star us general and he was just talking about the plans he was told in 2001!.



badgenome said:
mai said:

Well, in such case he's either an idiot or a scumbag, or both. But I don't believe in good intentions in politics, so he's a scumbag after all, while your reasoning is as silly as "they went for oil". Who needs Iraqi oil in price of military operation of that scale? You simply buy it.

It's not good intentions. The neoconservatives believed it to be in the national interest to have a democratic Middle East.

Yes, they really are that stupid.

the neoconservatives never ever were interessted in bringing democracy to any place on this planet.

They have several problems in their own country with democracy .

And no:They are not stupid.

The biggest trick of politicians is to make people believe that they are stupid.They are not,but they know as long as people belive that they are stupid they can get away with anything,because people will punish and/or kill smart man with evil intentions,but they will forgive the stupid for the same crimes.