I guess we have to disagree here too XD I have a Wii (I'm not all anti-nintendo and will be buying a wii U in the future). I'll just say that there's definitely a thin line between "for kids" and "for everyone". What you might consider family entertainment can be seen as kiddy to some. Some of my favorite games of this gen has been from the Wii, but I'll be damned if they weren't made for kids in mind complete with holding your hands and talking down to you (The Zelda titles come to mind especially). Judging by the Pikmin video I saw (first 50 minutes) it doesn't seem like they've backed down from that. Remember when all you needed was: It's dangerous to go alone. Take this sword. That was "for everyone". What they have now is "for kids, but the adults might like it too".

Also I gave you a credible source for the ages of the console users. I wasn't just going off on Nintendo or being defensive for PS360.

I should add: there's no intended offense towards Nintendo or its fans. I'm not attacking you personally if you get that vibe- I just see it as one way and you another.

Nintendo prediction to march 2014 is 9 mil
i think wii U can do 8 mil at end of year.
ps4 i can do until 5 mil, more than that i think is very improbable. cos it is competing with ps3, x360, wii U and xbox one.

Yes, of course, it wasn't $600 either (and its amazing the PS3 outsold the Xbox 360's first year at that price as well). The lack of strong third party with Nintendo will cause them to grow to a fraction of the rate they could grow to without a gimmick. They need the mid tier gamer Microsoft and Sony are so crazy about, who buy the COD's and Maddens and all the annualized franchises. Nintendo made a boatload of profit the majority of last gen but failed to capitalize on high sales on third party games on their console like Sony and Microsoft. Pachter has already predicted from their initial movements that Nintendo will be in a distant third and this was in line with my initial prediction that they will sell 35-40 million consoles. They will profit. It was purely first party profit even with all the third party support. I am sure you've read articles on that. Sony and Microsoft naturally reach the broader audience without having to use major peripherals better than Nintendo. Don't expect Nintendos Wii market to return this gen, they will have disappeared for the gen and the size of the marketshare we once had will look like erroded. Because Sony launched with Microsoft, they are at a natural advantage because this puts them in their element of power. As Nintendos momentary fanbase disappears Sony will grow past last gens marketshare and Microsoft will have grown even though they wont beat Sony from taking at least part of their former marketshare back. I don't think Sony will reach anywhere near to PS2 numbers this gen though. They have the greatest advantage of any company and if they at least tie Microsoft in America and get Japan to become interested in their console again they will reach 100 million consoles unlike this gen.

Care to hold me to this? :)

Just for comparison's sake, the Wii, which saw the best launch sales in history, sold about 4.2 million in the timeframe you're mentioning (November to Feb 3rd - 3 months). So what you're expecting is for the PS4 to do 1.5 times better than the Wii, which ain't gonna happen.

bolded1: that's new to me. calling nintendo games in general "easy" and "holding your hands". first, they don't, nintendo games are some of the few who remained chalenging among all games. second, if that was true and easy game = kiddie game, then you are forced to agree that ps360 games are for kiddies. their games are the ones  generally far too easy and self playing.

bolded2: I don't. I get the vibe you're attacking nintendo's fanbase by calling it kiddie when it isn't.

and at a much higher price point, don't forget.

yeah 6-7 million wont happen until 3rd quarter next year. 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=151051

PS3 is beating it since launching in Europe if you don't align launches.

Very much this.

I wouldn't call it an attack. I was pointing out that among the big 3 consoles - the Wii was most popular amongst very young children, whereas  the Xbox and PS3 were most popular amongst teens and young adults because of your comment on the audience of the consoles.

I realize that saying their games are aimed at children might've been offensive, that's why I added the "There's a thin line between "for kids" and "for everyone" thing. That's just how I see a lot of Nintendo games and I understand a lot don't.

Also holding your hand and talking down to you =/= easy. It means that the product was directed at a young audience. Looking at the demographical make-up of the Wii- it makes sense why they would make those games like that. A game made for everyone in mind wouldn't talk down to the player or have to explain basic mechanics over and over. If you took those out- yes you have a game made for everyone in mind, but those things are there and hard to ignore.

And just because something was made for kids, it doesn't mean its kiddy. There are kids movies that are made for children, but are mature enough for an adult audience like say Toy Story, Finding Nemo or The Secret of Nimh (some of my favorite moveis ever) and then you have something like Garfield, Cars 2 or Alvin and the Chipmunks- which are clearly made solely for young kids. Sometimes the lines are blurred and you end up with what I hate about current Nintendo games (again not all). IMO

I shouldn't have to add this, but obviously there are many Nintendo games that don't do this and I love them.

This whole thing really got off topic. The only reason I brought it up was because of your comment . I wasn't using it to smear the Nintendo fanbase. In summary - the Wii U won't sell 10 mil and the Wii did not steal marketshare from Playstation.