why the fuck are you listening to Pachter exactly?

I very much doubt it. PS4 will probably sell out at launch, but I don't think they'll ship more than 4m units.

That said, I don't think WiiU will make it to 7m+ like some predict here either.

I was thinking 5-6, but people seem to think 7-8 is more realistic. There's a guy saying 10 mil. I don't see it for the Wii U.

Why are you getting angry? The reason why I am listening to what Pachter is saying, based on Nintendos natural demand without major third party support and just plugging away based on first party. First party alone is not it. You need to have great first party first (this is obviously covered), healthy second party and have a wealth of third party. Nintendo duringt he GC era and N64 era should've learned from this problem, but they didnt. They no longer have Rare and Microsoft now enjoys the IP's Rare made while partnered with Nintendo. Nintendo has to supplement outside variety with their first party with companies like Monolith (now first party), Platinum and Sega now. The Natural bases between all parties were covered during the SNES era and that was the last generation. They've had a void still to this day that has yet to be filled.

^Don't listen to Pachter.

Don't worry, I don't but this time he actually made some sense. Sometimes he does make valid statements, especially about Sonys Vita, which is bordering on dead in the water.

It's possible.

Because when the PS3 was at its absolute worst AND hadn't even launched in EU, yet, it wasn't performing as poorly as the WII U is.  Then you have the fact that the Wii U is now confirmed to be the cheapest entry price for this gen (by $100), but that still isn't peaking much interest from the gaming masses.  I think what we are going to see in the future, in terms of sales, is another N64/Gamecube for Nintendo, with sales ~30M-40M.  Not God awful, but it surely isn't going to be winning the gen.

@ OP

Well, this could turn out to be correct IF Sony can meet demand.  I think the best Nintendo can hope for at the end of the year, especially without a price cut, is 6M.  Though, I think it will be closer to 5.5M.  Personally, I think the PS4 will end up at ~4M for the end of the year.  I think next year, around March, is a much safer bet of when the PS4 will pass the Wii U.

yeah, we'll see.

NIntendo made the most profit in the GC era btw

Definitely, but they kept their specs low. Remember, DVD's were expensive at that time and Sony made it affordable for the masses to use DVD's. Sony had lesser graphics, but the DVD player increased the cost per console. After Microsoft found out they had a DVD Player in the PS2 they followed suit. Nintendo took zero commercial risk with costs.