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JWeinCom on 15 August 2013
soulfly666 said:
JWeinCom said:
the-pi-guy said:
Zero999 said:
prayformojo said:

Recently, developers have done on record, stating that next gen AAA games won't cost much more than current gen AAA games. As tech improves, costs stay relative. We WILL get to human like AI and photo realism. Maybe not this gen, maybe not next, but it'll happen. Until then, progress won't stop.

and when the time comes it will still be irrelevant for gaming. a tecnological acomplishment? sure. but unrelated to gaming.

It is very related to video games, imagine playing The Elder Scrolls XV with perfect realism, from a graphics and ai standpoint.  Imagine instead of having dialogue choices, you can have a  completely unscripted conversation.  

Perfect human AI with perfect visuals is the goal to some extent, because it is at that point that you can't improve any more.  


Neither perfect human AI nor photorealistic visuals are the be all end all of gaming.  Human AI is not intrinsically more fun than non human AI, and photorealism is not intrinsically superior to stylized graphics.  If photorealism was the be all end all, then there would be no reason for animated films.


Sounds like someone didn't play Rage.

I did not play Rage.  Maybe it was a great game, and maybe having good AI was good for that experience.  I'm just saying that when all developers think there is only one path to making a great game, that's a problem for the whole industry. 



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FATALITY on 15 August 2013

the division
killzone
ryse
forza
infamous
ffxv



”The environment where PlayStation wins is best for this industry” (Jack Tretton, 2009)

Zero999 on 15 August 2013
prayformojo said:
Zero999 said:
prayformojo said:
Zero999 said:
prayformojo said:


Photorealism and human like AI is the goal. That should tell you just how patheic current gen graphics are and how far we have to go.

the goal to what? industry bancrupcy?

Recently, developers have done on record, stating that next gen AAA games won't cost much more than current gen AAA games. As tech improves, costs stay relative. We WILL get to human like AI and photo realism. Maybe not this gen, maybe not next, but it'll happen. Until then, progress won't stop.

and when the time comes it will still be irrelevant for gaming. a tecnological acomplishment? sure. but unrelated to gaming.

Right. Because AI inprovments are completely unrelated to gaming.

"Photorealism and human like AI is the goal."

neither are the goal, graphics, physics and AI for gaming already crossed the point of good enough. graphics are stagnant already and the only reason why AI is stupid is because of devs laziness/focus on graphics instead of important things. seriously, check the AI for npc's from skyrim and you'll see it's the same shit from ps2 era and certainly not a hardware problem.

anyway, it's funny reading those comments that ask for photorealism and human AI when gaming is suposed to be about things not possible on real world. and the best games ever came mostly on limited 10-20 years old hardware. what makes a game is game design and hardware can only do so much to make it better, especially now that things got stagnant.



curl-6 on 15 August 2013

There are games that look noticeably larger and more detailed than the best of the 7th gen, (Infamous Second Son, Killzone Shadowfall, Monolith Soft's X) but nothing so far looks like the same kind of leap we saw going from the 4th gen to the 5th, the 5th to he 6th, or even the 6th to the 7th.



mysticwolf on 15 August 2013

Call of Duty Ghosts.
They put in women!!
It was not possible on current gen. Until November.



 Been away for a bit, but sneaking back in.

Gaming on: PS4, PC, 3DS. Got a Switch! Mainly to play Smash

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J_Allard on 15 August 2013

I haven't seen anything.



curl-6 on 15 August 2013
mysticwolf said:
Call of Duty Ghosts.
They put in women!!
It was not possible on current gen. Until November.

And fish AI, a dog you care about, destructible environments, leaning out from cover, sliding into cover, vaulting over obstacles,and dynamic multiplayer maps. Only possible with the power of the Cloud and 8GB of GDDR5.