Bladeneo said: carlos710 said: disolitude said: carlos710 said: DMeisterJ said: @ FishyJoe I lose more and more faith in you as a mod each passing day. Because he hasnt't banned you for your trolling in the rest of the forum??     DMC 3 was the 3rd game of the series in the same console. DMC 4 it's the first HD DMC. It was a failure in terms of profits IMO, since it sold way less than the first DMC on the ps2 while (likely) having way bigger development costs. You're forgeting it was released to a much smaller userbase...   You are forgetting that nobody cares about attach rates.   Try to learn what this means: PROFIT Early PS2 development costs were huge as well so I doubt capcom are going to be disappointed. DMC4 strikes me as a game with average development costs, possibly slightly higher due to having to develop on two consoles. How is 200,000 in one week in one region a bad thing? I guarantee its better than Capcom were anticipating. It'll probably have 400-500,000 sales during its first week on both platforms (so pushing a million), almost definately break even point for a game like DMC.

 This post is wong is so many ways......

For example 400-500k = pushing 1 million? You're a fool if you think xbox 360 DMC 4 will sell over 100k.

Whats HSG5? Probablly a bad game

Yes this is things to come IF games start to roll out at a decent pace and these games are actually GOOD!

250k copies sold in one week defines a game as a non profit failure... damn.

@carlos710
Devil May Cry 4 won't have the worst reviews of the series. That title belongs to the worst sequel to a great game ever, Devil May Cry 2.

Man everyvbody is attacking DMmeisterJ for asking a question, he never stated anything as a fact, i think the case of DMC 4 is interesting 'cause it really is an anomaly untill now, but maybe it is because the game is really good :D, and japanese guys were waiting for a really good PS3 that appeals to them ( PS3 has many god games, but the ones argeted to japanese people haven't been too good in my opinion :P )

plzdontbanme said: Bladeneo said: carlos710 said: disolitude said: carlos710 said: DMeisterJ said: @ FishyJoe I lose more and more faith in you as a mod each passing day. Because he hasnt't banned you for your trolling in the rest of the forum??     DMC 3 was the 3rd game of the series in the same console. DMC 4 it's the first HD DMC. It was a failure in terms of profits IMO, since it sold way less than the first DMC on the ps2 while (likely) having way bigger development costs. You're forgeting it was released to a much smaller userbase...   You are forgetting that nobody cares about attach rates.   Try to learn what this means: PROFIT Early PS2 development costs were huge as well so I doubt capcom are going to be disappointed. DMC4 strikes me as a game with average development costs, possibly slightly higher due to having to develop on two consoles. How is 200,000 in one week in one region a bad thing? I guarantee its better than Capcom were anticipating. It'll probably have 400-500,000 sales during its first week on both platforms (so pushing a million), almost definately break even point for a game like DMC. This post is wong is so many ways...... For example 400-500k = pushing 1 million? You're a fool if you think xbox 360 DMC 4 will sell over 100k.

 I apologize, my point implied across all regions. PS3 has pushed 200,000 in Japan, it can easy do 100,000 in both USA and Europe. DMC4 will do double PS3 for 360 in US and similar in Europe, therefore, its likely the first week sales will be near 1 million when the two platforms are combined.

I think it's funny how Fishy Joe warns everyone against cherry picking, and he just cherry-picked from people's responses when he is clearly wrong according to the original post, lol!

carlos710 said: Bladeneo said: carlos710 said: disolitude said: carlos710 said: DMeisterJ said: @ FishyJoe I lose more and more faith in you as a mod each passing day. Because he hasnt't banned you for your trolling in the rest of the forum??     DMC 3 was the 3rd game of the series in the same console. DMC 4 it's the first HD DMC. It was a failure in terms of profits IMO, since it sold way less than the first DMC on the ps2 while (likely) having way bigger development costs. You're forgeting it was released to a much smaller userbase...   You are forgetting that nobody cares about attach rates.   Try to learn what this means: PROFIT Early PS2 development costs were huge as well so I doubt capcom are going to be disappointed. DMC4 strikes me as a game with average development costs, possibly slightly higher due to having to develop on two consoles. How is 200,000 in one week in one region a bad thing? I guarantee its better than Capcom were anticipating. It'll probably have 400-500,000 sales during its first week on both platforms (so pushing a million), almost definately break even point for a game like DMC. NOT EVEN CLOSE to about 20 million for an HD game like now.   And DMC 4 may sell more than past DMC games worldwide (thanks to new x360 sales), but its likely going to be the worst rated DMC game ever on reviews. When developers make their games multiplatform instead of taking 100% advantage of a console's hardware the game loses quality quickly.

 When did quality enter the conversation? A games quality does NOT define its sales, a hell of a lot of PS2 games sold a million copies with sub par reviews, likewise a hell of a lot of games sold hardly anythin despite excellent reviews.

Well, I can see where this thread is heading.

I know what I did wrong here. I decided to post some information that could be viewed as positive for Sony. I should just post negative for them, whenever possible, as posting information that could be postive news for them never turns out well.

All I wanted was a simple question answered, but I guess I should go elsewhere huh?

Bladeneo said: carlos710 said: Bladeneo said: carlos710 said: disolitude said: carlos710 said: DMeisterJ said: @ FishyJoe I lose more and more faith in you as a mod each passing day. Because he hasnt't banned you for your trolling in the rest of the forum??     DMC 3 was the 3rd game of the series in the same console. DMC 4 it's the first HD DMC. It was a failure in terms of profits IMO, since it sold way less than the first DMC on the ps2 while (likely) having way bigger development costs. You're forgeting it was released to a much smaller userbase...   You are forgetting that nobody cares about attach rates.   Try to learn what this means: PROFIT Early PS2 development costs were huge as well so I doubt capcom are going to be disappointed. DMC4 strikes me as a game with average development costs, possibly slightly higher due to having to develop on two consoles. How is 200,000 in one week in one region a bad thing? I guarantee its better than Capcom were anticipating. It'll probably have 400-500,000 sales during its first week on both platforms (so pushing a million), almost definately break even point for a game like DMC. NOT EVEN CLOSE to about 20 million for an HD game like now.   And DMC 4 may sell more than past DMC games worldwide (thanks to new x360 sales), but its likely going to be the worst rated DMC game ever on reviews. When developers make their games multiplatform instead of taking 100% advantage of a console's hardware the game loses quality quickly. When did quality enter the conversation? A games quality does NOT define its sales, a hell of a lot of PS2 games sold a million copies with sub par reviews, likewise a hell of a lot of games sold hardly anythin despite excellent reviews.

 So you are fine with paying more money to get less quality -i guess i don't care about what you think then.

But still the development costs are atleast 2.5-3 times bigger than what they were 5 years ago. 

@plzdontbanme
He was talking about 400-500k on both platforms worldwide, not in Japan only.
I think those numbers are a little high, more like 350-400k, that still means 750-800k first week, very respectable numbers.