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outlawauron on 07 August 2013
007BondAgent said:
pezus said:
PosGamePlatformYearGenrePublisherNorth AmericaEuropeJapanRest of WorldGlobal
1 Pokémon Red / Green / Blue Version GB 1996 Role-Playing Nintendo 11.27 8.89 10.22 1.00 31.37
2 Pokémon Gold / Silver Version GB 1999 Role-Playing Nintendo 9.00 6.18 7.20 0.71 23.10
3 Pokémon Diamond / Pearl Version DS 2006 Role-Playing Nintendo 6.33 4.32 6.04 1.38 18.08
4 Pokémon Ruby / Sapphire Version GBA 2002 Role-Playing Nintendo 6.06 3.90 5.38 0.50 15.85
5 Pokémon Black / White Version DS 2010 Role-Playing Nintendo 5.36 0.59 5.64 3.15 14.74
6 Pokémon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition GB 1998 Role-Playing Nintendo 5.89 5.04 3.12 0.59 14.64
7 Pokémon Heart Gold / Soul Silver Version DS 2009 Role-Playing Nintendo 4.22 2.38 3.96 1.02 11.58
8 Pokémon FireRed / LeafGreen Version GBA 2004 Role-Playing Nintendo 4.34 2.65 3.15 0.35 10.49
9 Pokémon Platinum Version DS 2008 Role-Playing Nintendo 2.69 1.60 2.69 0.57 7.54
10 Pokemon Black / White Version 2 DS 2012 Role-Playing Nintendo 2.16 1.23 3.02 0.38 6.78

Selling less then black and white? How did you come to that? black and white had the best opening to a pokemon game to date, with it's legs being cut short due to a new handheld

You should be comparing it to diamond and pearl, considering the both came out at the same point

and pokemon black and white 2 actually sold more then platinum

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/01/30/pokemon-blackwhite-2-have-sold-over-7-5-million-worldwide/

NDS | Pokémon Black/White 2 – 7.63 million

Making that table even more wrong

Phew, you're using shipped numbers to compare to what VGC said is sold. While it's very likely to be undertracked, there are still hundreds of thousands of copies on store shelves.



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zorg1000 on 08 August 2013
pezus said:
007BondAgent said:
pezus said:

 

007BondAgent said:
bananaking21 said:


im just one of those people who think the franchise will continue to decline in the west


What a stupid thing to say, it's far from declining, the legs were simply cut short due to the 3ds

Gran turismo 6 won't sell as much as 5, guess that franchise is declining too right?

You're using a prediction to disprove something that is already set in stone. That's something new

Pokemon sales in the West (NA+Europe) in millions:

Red/Green/Blue: 20.16
Gold/Silver: 15.18
Ruby/saphire: 9.96
Diamond/Pearl: 10.65
Black/White: ~8.9? (Europe sales are somehow messed up so I used the 1.5 NA: Europe ratio to estimate Europe sales)
Black/White 2: 3.39

Obviously I do not see X/Y selling less than B/W 2 in the West but I can definitely see it selling less than B/W

PosGamePlatformYearGenrePublisherNorth AmericaEuropeJapanRest of WorldGlobal
1 Pokémon Red / Green / Blue Version GB 1996 Role-Playing Nintendo 11.27 8.89 10.22 1.00 31.37
2 Pokémon Gold / Silver Version GB 1999 Role-Playing Nintendo 9.00 6.18 7.20 0.71 23.10
3 Pokémon Diamond / Pearl Version DS 2006 Role-Playing Nintendo 6.33 4.32 6.04 1.38 18.08
4 Pokémon Ruby / Sapphire Version GBA 2002 Role-Playing Nintendo 6.06 3.90 5.38 0.50 15.85
5 Pokémon Black / White Version DS 2010 Role-Playing Nintendo 5.36 0.59 5.64 3.15 14.74
6 Pokémon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition GB 1998 Role-Playing Nintendo 5.89 5.04 3.12 0.59 14.64
7 Pokémon Heart Gold / Soul Silver Version DS 2009 Role-Playing Nintendo 4.22 2.38 3.96 1.02 11.58
8 Pokémon FireRed / LeafGreen Version GBA 2004 Role-Playing Nintendo 4.34 2.65 3.15 0.35 10.49
9 Pokémon Platinum Version DS 2008 Role-Playing Nintendo 2.69 1.60 2.69 0.57 7.54
10 Pokemon Black / White Version 2 DS 2012 Role-Playing Nintendo 2.16 1.23 3.02 0.38 6.78

Selling less then black and white? How did you come to that? black and white had the best opening to a pokemon game to date, with it's legs being cut short due to a new handheld

You should be comparing it to diamond and pearl, considering the both came out at the same point

and pokemon black and white 2 actually sold more then platinum

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/01/30/pokemon-blackwhite-2-have-sold-over-7-5-million-worldwide/

NDS | Pokémon Black/White 2 – 7.63 million

Making that table even more wrong

I'm just saying that there is a trend for Pokemon sales declining in the West, with the only exception being Diamond/Pearl thus far. Black/White 2 being a bit undertracked does not change the point at all.

My conclusion is based on history. You denied said history that bananaking decided to use for his prediction. I'm just saying that this history is right, and thus there wasn't anything "stupid" about his post.

Black/White 2 should not be up there, its not a nee gen and is the equivelent of Crystal/Emerald/Platinum



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MDMAlliance on 08 August 2013
pezus said:
007BondAgent said:
pezus said:
PosGamePlatformYearGenrePublisherNorth AmericaEuropeJapanRest of WorldGlobal
1 Pokémon Red / Green / Blue Version GB 1996 Role-Playing Nintendo 11.27 8.89 10.22 1.00 31.37
2 Pokémon Gold / Silver Version GB 1999 Role-Playing Nintendo 9.00 6.18 7.20 0.71 23.10
3 Pokémon Diamond / Pearl Version DS 2006 Role-Playing Nintendo 6.33 4.32 6.04 1.38 18.08
4 Pokémon Ruby / Sapphire Version GBA 2002 Role-Playing Nintendo 6.06 3.90 5.38 0.50 15.85
5 Pokémon Black / White Version DS 2010 Role-Playing Nintendo 5.36 0.59 5.64 3.15 14.74
6 Pokémon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition GB 1998 Role-Playing Nintendo 5.89 5.04 3.12 0.59 14.64
7 Pokémon Heart Gold / Soul Silver Version DS 2009 Role-Playing Nintendo 4.22 2.38 3.96 1.02 11.58
8 Pokémon FireRed / LeafGreen Version GBA 2004 Role-Playing Nintendo 4.34 2.65 3.15 0.35 10.49
9 Pokémon Platinum Version DS 2008 Role-Playing Nintendo 2.69 1.60 2.69 0.57 7.54
10 Pokemon Black / White Version 2 DS 2012 Role-Playing Nintendo 2.16 1.23 3.02 0.38 6.78

Selling less then black and white? How did you come to that? black and white had the best opening to a pokemon game to date, with it's legs being cut short due to a new handheld

You should be comparing it to diamond and pearl, considering the both came out at the same point

and pokemon black and white 2 actually sold more then platinum

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/01/30/pokemon-blackwhite-2-have-sold-over-7-5-million-worldwide/

NDS | Pokémon Black/White 2 – 7.63 million

Making that table even more wrong

I'm just saying that there is a trend for Pokemon sales declining in the West, with the only exception being Diamond/Pearl thus far. Black/White 2 being a bit undertracked does not change the point at all.

My conclusion is based on history. You denied said history that bananaking decided to use for his prediction. I'm just saying that this history is right, and thus there wasn't anything "stupid" about his post.

I personally disagree.  I think X and Y will do pretty well for the West, better than Black and White.  While what you're saying is based on the history of the sales of pokemon, it is far from the only factor and thus is just a prediction.  It's not stupid, it's just not conclusive. 

I think X and Y will make a comeback, stronger than that of Black and White.



NintendoPie on 08 August 2013
007BondAgent said:
7
Pokémon X/Y (3DS)
Nintendo, Role-Playing
10 5,858 106,467
2
Pokemon Black Version (DS)
Nintendo, Role-Playing
10 21,681 134,537

 

X & Y is starting to lag behind

Definitely. I thought it would start pulling up to where B/W is, but it failed to even get close.

Boo!



NintendoPie on 08 August 2013
pezus said:

I'm just saying that there is a trend for Pokemon sales declining in the West, with the only exception being Diamond/Pearl thus far. Black/White 2 being a bit undertracked does not change the point at all.

My conclusion is based on history. You denied said history that bananaking decided to use for his prediction. I'm just saying that this history is right, and thus there wasn't anything "stupid" about his post.

Did you notice that D/P were the first Pokemon games on a new console? They usually do better than the one's that come out years after nearing when the console is dying. Although I agree that X/Y so far have been doing meh numbers.



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MDMAlliance on 08 August 2013
NintendoPie said:
pezus said:

I'm just saying that there is a trend for Pokemon sales declining in the West, with the only exception being Diamond/Pearl thus far. Black/White 2 being a bit undertracked does not change the point at all.

My conclusion is based on history. You denied said history that bananaking decided to use for his prediction. I'm just saying that this history is right, and thus there wasn't anything "stupid" about his post.

Did you notice that D/P were the first Pokemon games on a new console? They usually do better than the one's that come out years after nearing when the console is dying. Although I agree that X/Y so far have been doing meh numbers.


I don't think judging pre-order numbers is a good way to tell how well the game will sell once it's out.  It's more like a good way to tell if a game is on the road to victory, but no guarantees.



NintendoPie on 08 August 2013
MDMAlliance said:


I don't think judging pre-order numbers is a good way to tell how well the game will sell once it's out.  It's more like a good way to tell if a game is on the road to victory, but no guarantees.

1. As of now, it's doing bad.

2. I agree with you.

3. VGC has been wrong on Pre-order numbers before.

4. Why did I make this a list?



zorg1000 on 08 August 2013
NintendoPie said:
007BondAgent said:
7
Pokémon X/Y (3DS)
Nintendo, Role-Playing
10 5,858 106,467
2
Pokemon Black Version (DS)
Nintendo, Role-Playing
10 21,681 134,537

 

X & Y is starting to lag behind

Definitely. I thought it would start pulling up to where B/W is, but it failed to even get close.

Boo!

To be fair DS had like 4x the install base of 3DS when B/W came out.



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Red_Hawk-47 on 08 August 2013

ps4's really on fire!



Red_Hawk-47 on 08 August 2013

im getting it day one baby!