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curl-6 said:

Again, casuals don't care enough about gaming to engage in hype.

It didnt need to relate to Sonic specifically, just to show that sales and hype are not one and the same.

What, so now you have some drastically different definition of hype other than what's written in the dictionary? Hype is hype, hype = excitement, 500,000 people were excited enough for WSR, not hard to understand. 

It kind of did have to, because bringing it up now means you're comparing among different situations, apples to oranges. WSR wasn't released under the same conditions as SLW will be released in. Again, WSR happened after the Wii Sports phenomenon, there is no Wii Sports-equivalent phenomenon with Sonic; therefore, that WSR example doesn't apply in this situation because Sonic is just an ordinary game being released, not a continuation of a phenomenon. Unless you can give me an example of a Wii Sports-like event for Sonic, then that WSR example is just trash. 



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forethought14 said:
curl-6 said:

Again, casuals don't care enough about gaming to engage in hype.

It didnt need to relate to Sonic specifically, just to show that sales and hype are not one and the same.

What, so now you have some drastically different definition of hype other than what's written in the dictionary? Hype is hype, hype = excitement, 500,000 people were excited enough for WSR, not hard to understand. 

It kind of did have to, because bringing it up now means you're comparing among different situations, apples to oranges. WSR wasn't released under the same conditions as SLW will be released in. Again, WSR happened after the Wii Sports phenomenon, there is no Wii Sports-equivalent phenomenon with Sonic; therefore, that WSR example doesn't apply in this situation because Sonic is just an ordinary game being released, not a continuation of a phenomenon. Unless you can give me an example of a Wii Sports-like event for Sonic, then that WSR example is just trash. 

Sales and hype are not the same thing. You don't have to be hyped for a game to buy it, and you can be hyped for a game then not  buy it.



curl-6 said:

Sales and hype are not the same thing. You don't have to be hyped for a game to buy it, and you can be hyped for a game then not  buy it.

Sales and hype are not the same thing, I never said they were, but they're related (again, WSR is irrelevant because it's under conditions ordinary games never release in). I said before, everything has some level of hype, just saying that you have hype for something is a very broad statement because you're not telling anyone how just how hyped you are, you're not being specific. I have hype for Sonic Lost World, but that doesn't tell you anything aside from the fact that I'm excited. I just don't have enough excitement to buy it at launch or anywhere near launch (but I'll buy it eventually). If I had larger amount of excitement, as in a larger amount of hype, then I'll definitely do what I can to get it as soon as possible, and people with high levels of hype tend to do that. If you truly are extremely hyped for a game and don't buy it at launch, then you either had money issues, life issues, or you weren't really hyped for it as you said you were. If there's a ton of excitement for something, then sales should show that there indeed was a ton of excitement. 



forethought14 said:
curl-6 said:

Sales and hype are not the same thing. You don't have to be hyped for a game to buy it, and you can be hyped for a game then not  buy it.

Sales and hype are not the same thing

Good, then we're agreed.



curl-6 said:
forethought14 said:
curl-6 said:

Sales and hype are not the same thing. You don't have to be hyped for a game to buy it, and you can be hyped for a game then not  buy it.

Sales and hype are not the same thing

Good, then we're agreed.

But that was never the argument. The argument was that apparently you think Sales and Hype don't go together as a general idea. But I see that you clearly don't wanna try to continue trying to prove that false, so I'll leave you here. Have a good day. :)



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forethought14 said:

But that was never the argument. The argument was that apparently you think Sales and Hype don't go together as a general idea.

I never said they don't usually go together. Just that they don't always.



curl-6 said:
forethought14 said:

But that was never the argument. The argument was that apparently you think Sales and Hype don't go together as a general idea.

I never said they don't usually go together. Just that they don't always.

By not always, are you referring to WSR? Because if you are, then again, I'm talking about REGULAR releases, WSR isn't a regular release, it's a special case. And we know that unless games release under WSR conditions, then hype and sales will go together period. 



forethought14 said:
curl-6 said:
forethought14 said:

But that was never the argument. The argument was that apparently you think Sales and Hype don't go together as a general idea.

I never said they don't usually go together. Just that they don't always.

By not always, are you referring to WSR? Because if you are, then again, I'm talking about REGULAR releases, WSR isn't a regular release, it's a special case. And we know that unless games release under WSR conditions, then hype and sales will go together period. 

Plenty of other games where they don't correlate; The Conduit, Red Steel, Lair...



curl-6 said:

Plenty of other games where they don't correlate; The Conduit, Red Steel, Lair...

High levels of questionable hype don't always result in high sales because it's questionable, levels will go up and down until you reach launch when it's set. True levels of hype tell everything about the reality of the situation. 



forethought14 said:
curl-6 said:

Plenty of other games where they don't correlate; The Conduit, Red Steel, Lair...

High levels of questionable hype don't always result in high sales because it's questionable, levels will go up and down until you reach launch when it's set. True levels of hype tell everything about the reality of the situation. 

Hype is hype, not such thing as "true" hype.