Don't care about him being guilty of murder though, I care about what's right and how things should be and that's what I'm arguing about.  He can be wrong without being guilty of murder.  

Alright, that's a good argument for why police should have guns when dealing with criminals.  But would you think it was alright for some random person walking by with a gun to get in on that firefight and try to help the police out?  To me that would be totally unacceptable and not what carrying is supposed to be about.  It's supposed to be about protecting yourself from imminent death, not about the ability to shoot your way out of any situation you get yourself into.  Police exist because they are trained in how to deal with situations like this.  I would hope that a trained police officer would not have shot Martin in the chest to end an assault.  

It's not irrelevant to my argument though, again I don't really give a crap if it's something that is irrelevant in a courtroom.  Obviously you shouldn't just put "do you want to be a cop someday" but I think it would be perfectly reasonable to have psych evaluations of some kind and if someone looks like they have a tendency for vigilantism then that should be kept in mind, or if someone is obviously mentally unstable then they should be totally denied the weapon.  On the end of vigilantism though if they prove themselves to be responsible with their weapon while playing at policeman then I don't think it's unreasonable for them to carry one, but I'd argue that ending a fist fight with a bullet in the chest proves Zimmerman is not responsible enough.  And to be honest, if he's really that much of a pantywaist as has been mentioned here before he shouldn't be following suspicious people in the first place.  Or if he's going to, he should be carrying something that can end a fistfight without a death.  

I always thought the prosecution should have charged him with something lower and plead out to something much lower. That would have been about the only way they could have got zimmerman on something. Something like assualt with a deadly weapon or something. But I'm sure political pressure played a role.

I'm convinced that Trayvon was the aggressor because of his past and character and because all the evidence supported Zimmermans version of the events.

Umm dont reply to me anymore. I already admitted Zimmerman is a saint what more do you want?

For you to admit you didn't have the facts before jumping to conclusion and you were swayed by the shitty reporting of the media. On top of that I would like to know that now that you have the facts that if you come across another person without the facts that you correct them. Because thats the only way to fight the misinformation from being spread.

I'm not continuing this conversation. Not because I am not willing to. I am. It's just that it isn't the direction or point I am willing to take it in this discussion. Its going in a whole different direction.

Ok Zimmerman is a saint and his record is always clean. His past is just an illusion and he never did anything wrong unlike Trayvon. Trayvon went out deliberately looking for trouble and deserved what he got. Happy now?

okie doke, no worries.  

That is not what I said at all. I never said he was a saint and never did anything wrong. I just said you haven't provided evidence otherwise. And I never said Trayvon deliberatly went looking for trouble. But heck. Be stubborn. Its obvious you made up your mind on what you wanted rather than what the evidence shows

Yeah, just trying to lay the facts surrounding this case. If people want to argue one way or another after that I dont care. I'm personally invested in this because my mom sounds the exact same way as keroncoward. Most people I come across cant make a case without using the words "innocent" "black" "kid" or "stalked" which are all factually incorrect

The guy armed himself, stalked a black kid, and then shot him to death. Whether or not he's racist, he is still a murderer.