I'm still waiting for someone to explain what the xboxOne can do that is a killer feature that current devices (including PS3/Xbox/Wii-u) can already do. All that is mentioned by one or two people is that we are not intelligent enough to understand MS's plan/vision which will be kicking in the next 5-8 years.

What exactly is your problem with people who are interrested by something else than the PS4? And about those who see innovations in the Xbox One?

You are not "waiting" for someone to explain you anything as you just are already biased... I think a LOT of people already explained their point of view and why from "their point of view"; it was innovative etc...

And every time we are "sharing" why we are looking forward for the Xbox One; people like you are coming in and want us to explain you why again and again or are just bashing it with replies like "yah it is not a killer feature, it is useless, another device can do that, Microsoft sucks and blah blah blah".

You know what, a PC can play games... Why on earth then would you buy a PS4? Oh yah, because of exlusives, because of the controllers, because you love Sony, because you like how everything is integrated, etc... Dio you feel the need to justify yourself to all these Xbox/WiiU/PC fans out there who does not find the PS4 so "exceptionnal"?

At least even if I disagree with TheProf; he (I think and hope) understand why some people (maybe not the majority) are interreted in the Xbox One and why they find it innovative in some ways... No need to agree with that but just understand their point of view is enough. I undertand his point of view at least.

You sir, are a real joke when you think Xbox enthousiats believe other people are not intelligent enough. Replies like yours is clearly showing the opposite.

Yah, you can play games with your PC too... Why bother about the PS4? (because you completly ignored the exlcusives I mentionned so my guess is that you do not care either). And I will not comment on PS EYE or even the way you are watching the TV on your PS3 (no need to explain I know many ways to do that)...

I'm the real joke...lol... hey look if you are going to start getting nasty perhaps you need to take a break from gaming/websites, rather than calling people names, and standing up for a corporation...regardless of what they do. 

You know what, this is a gaming website, and I am allowed to make any opinion i bloody well like.. I am not nasty with it, I make my opinion, you can either take it or leave it.. I dont care you are a fan of a particular product and cannot stand any comments against it, even if those comments are pretty much valid. If you don't like my opinion, I dont give a damn. Maybe get into proper conversation rather than throwing insults.... just because i've said something about a console you like.

What i am interested in is Discussion and getting to the truth of the matter... not some wishy washy crap. Now if you don't like that... I guess you shouldnt be posting in topics discussing gaming consoles... because people are most likely going to have a differening opinion than yours.

Here is a comment from CVG that perfectly outlines what i am saying:

PS4 isn't the future, PS4 is now, Xbox one is the future.
let's face it the PS4 is just a more powerfull PS3 noting else.
while the Xbox one was going to be all digital and cloud.
everybody knows that 90% is going to be digital and that Cloud is very important.
most companies are now getting Cloud services 
but people thought it was to early to make such a big step so now MS is going to do it more slowly.

It's this type of post that comes up alot that i am trying to get to the bottom of. Hey perhaps you can explain it as you seem most vocal. Otherwise get out of the thread :)

Really? Generalizing now is your way "to debate on a gaming forums"? Keep going, you are doing better reply after reply :)

Asking me to get out of the thread just because I don't feel the need ot justify my point of view over and over to get bashed by people like you is not really proving any point.

Your comment against a console are okay by the way and you seem to assume I have a problem with that... Nope; my problem is you insulting the intelligence of a lot of people just because you do see things like they are.

People have different oppinions, deal with it lol

The world would implode.

Look you obviously have a problem, seriously give it a break. You are the one who started this by calling me a joke. Dont start something and then claim its everyone else that is causing issues. 

The conversation in this thread was discussing that the XboxOne was better cause it was the all in one device, a couple of people said... hey current devices already do this. I said.. I want to know WHAT DOES THE XBOX ONE DO THAT CURRENT DEVICES CANNOT.

What a surprise you cannot answer this question. Because there is no  answer too it. 

I was complaining people were calling me not intelligent enough to understand, but were not willing to divulge this information... am I wrong - if these people are more intelligent than me perhaps they can just tell me what it is i am missing?

I am not insulting anyone by name I am asking the question "What is this future feature that no one seems to know"... , unlike you are doing by calling me a joke.

I just have to wonder how these initial blunders of the Xbox 1 reveal

(Pissing off a huge chunk of your audience with your vision then pulling a 180 on your vision is a problem, they should have just stuck to their guns)

has spooked MS shareholders.

lol. Implying Xbox doesn't have the same age of audience.

Yes your reply was a joke. Sorry but that's a fact and you came out of nowhere to reply to a debate we had with theprof with irrelevant things and generalization just because you have an issue with the Xbox One in general. As far as the problem, again, do not generalize (you seem to be very good at that); I did not claim "everyone else"; I was talking to YOU.

For the bolded part; dude, stop prentending that anyone assumes they are more intelligent than you just because they have a different point of view or oppinion. A LOT of people who are enthousiast about the next Xbox gave their own reasons and you are just conveniently ignoring them and keep asking for "proof". What else do you need? You keep saying nobody is divulging any information but they did; a lot of time; you are just ignoring them or discarting them conveniently.

You seem to have an issue with any poster "defending" the Xbox One just because you cannot understand or see the values (or innovation) WE can see in it. That's okay by the way; a majority of people in this thread see it your way; I'm not saying it is wrong. But when you just totaly ignore the reasons why we like it or not and keep asking for us to prove you our point it become very quickly tiring... It is like talking to a wall.

In short:

You do not see any innovation in the Xbox One; you are biased toward Sony.
I see a lot of innovation in Xbox One; I'm biased toward Microsoft. Now, I will not repeat all the reasons why I see a lot of potential; I CLEARLY stated them in my previous posts; just go and read them. Nobody is wrong or right here like you seem to believe.