KruzeS said: stof said: Asside from FF and MGS, almost all the really big PS3 exclusive games are being made by Sony Blue3 said: Rather false statement, there are plenty 3rd party games on the PS3 that will be as good if not better then Sonys own. GTA4, Assasins Creed, Unreal 3, MGS4, FF13 and Versus also all the best sports tites are 3rd party. You know what? It would do you some good reading the things you quote before you comment on them. GTA4, Assassins Creed and Unreal Tournament 3 are not PS3 exclusives. So, actually, you've just made his point.

 He makes a good point.  I'm also sick of people listing GTA4, Assassin's Creed, and Unreal 3 among PS3 exclusives.  They might end up better games on the PS3, but they're not exclusive.

BenKenobi88 said: KruzeS said: stof said: Asside from FF and MGS, almost all the really big PS3 exclusive games are being made by Sony Blue3 said: Rather false statement, there are plenty 3rd party games on the PS3 that will be as good if not better then Sonys own. GTA4, Assasins Creed, Unreal 3, MGS4, FF13 and Versus also all the best sports tites are 3rd party. You know what? It would do you some good reading the things you quote before you comment on them. GTA4, Assassins Creed and Unreal Tournament 3 are not PS3 exclusives. So, actually, you've just made his point. He makes a good point. I'm also sick of people listing GTA4, Assassin's Creed, and Unreal 3 among PS3 exclusives. They might end up better games on the PS3, but they're not exclusive.

 never said they were exclusive, just said they are as good if not better then Sony own games.  

auroragb said: johnlucas said: Darc Requiem said: I guess the NES and SNES just didn't exist Diomedes. Darq Requiem, can I just say that I LOVE your signature pic?   It would have been better if the Persian ambassador was replaced with Dhalsim

 Dhalsim is Indian, not Persian

Gameing changed form those eras, development costs are to much for most to do exclusives.  Its still getting most of the games, 360 is now losing exclusives avoiding +3 million hardcore gamers is to much for most devs.  While alot of the time wii gets left in the dark due to its limiting hardware, many games are becoming PS3/360 now.

  Like it or not the PS3 still has the biggest 3rd party exclusives, after this 1st party will have to hold up the console so how exacly is a strong 1st party line up a bad thing ?

But since it seems stof was indeed talking about exclusives his statement was neither false, nor rather false, it was actually true. Or were you talking about something other than what it seems to me you quoted?

I myself didn't say you were wrong either. Quite the opposite! I simply stated you had just made what I guess stof's point was - that FF and MGS aside, all the good exclusives come from Sony itself.

I could obviously take a random post of yours, quote it, and talk about something deceptively but not really that much related to what you were saying, and then proceed to make a completely different point. I just don't find that an interesting way to make an argument.

All in all, we were all right. GTA4, Assassins Creed and Unreal Tournament 3, are good PS3 games, just not exclusives. FF and MGS are the good exclusives. Most other big name exclusives come from Sony. Right?

I think we are creating a scenario here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps3_games

Take a good look. You can sort by exclusives as well.

Now If these games remain exclusive (interesting catch, I know) it kinda shake up the theories here about Sony trumping the third parties. And given the fact that sony gave away the majority of first party tools and engines9 such as ice and edge) and held a session with their first party devs laying it bare for third party devs, I do not think that Sony has the ultimate upper hand here. YOu can argue that whoever is willing to spend more money has the upperhand. It is said by many developers that the baseline is easy and it is the additions and draws that start the struggle but most seem to agree that it is no worse than the PS2.

Atlus, spike, koei, capcom, square, konami, namco (outside of cellius brand), sega, sunrise, square enix, nippon ichi (makai wars baby), idea factory and many others still have listed exclusives and some of seem to be some very fun titles on the horizon.

Time crises 4, monster hunter 3, way of the samurai, castlevania, driver, shin megami tensei, makai wars, gradius, wardevil, ZONE OF THE ENDERS 3!!!! (woot). Yeah there are some reallyawesome titles announced and I hear more are on the way but batting in terms of exclusives many third pardies will hold their own against sony franchises.

I wasn't trying to state that the PS3, or any console for that matter is not going to get a fair share of exclusive games. I'm just predicting that the lionshare of gamer attention and sales are going to go to Sony's first party software (and yeah, I'm including factor five on this one). Sony has an incredibly strong software lineup. And considering the PS3 won't move nearly as much hardware as the PS2, Sony is going to get an ever larger piece of a considerably smaller pie. Nintendo is still going to have a monster piece of their pie, but it'll be a damn big pie, with plenty of slices for every other game company.

 And with most multiplat games likely to sell far better on the 360 (or Wii if it's the kind of game that can fit well), I just see the PS3 getting the same rep that the Cube had.

I think it's pretty obvious that Nintendo's first party games are tougher to compete with than MS or Sony's but I don't see what the problem for the 3rd party devs is.  They need to produce quality games to get sales, if they don't their games won't sell.  Compete or die, it's the foundation of capitalism. 

As others have mentioned, 3rd party games can sell on Nintendo systems.  The N64 and Cube were special cases where both the quality and quantity of 3rd party games dropped.  I was just as enamored with Mega Man, Dragon Warrior, and Castlevania as I was with Mario, Zelda, and Metroid back in the NES/SNES days.  The NES and especially the SNES also had a wide range of genres to pick from, Koei had countless strategy games like PTO and Liberty or Death, RPG's were a dime a dozen, and both SimCity and Civilization were made for the SNES (important because I didn't have a computer then).  Aside from sports games the only 3rd party games I liked on the N64 were Resident Evil 2 and Rogue Squadron if you don't consider it 2nd party.  It's not for nothing that most "worst games lists" are heavily populated with 3rd party N64 games like Superman 64, Mega Man 64, South Park, and Carmageddon.  The GameCube didn't get as many 3rd party exclusives but PN03 comes instantly to mind as a terrible one.  If I recall, Soul Caliber did better on the GameCube than the other two systems due to its exclusive Link character and also being a great game. 

I think the issue 3rd party devs are having with the Wii is similar to the problem they had with the DS.  Not only do their half-ass jobs look worse on a system that has Mario, Metroid, and Zelda, but they have to figure out how to use new control methods.  They eventually got around to it on the DS, they'll eventually do so on the Wii.  Their only other option isto lose sales.  If they don't make good games than I could care less if their sales are lower.