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Random_Matt said:

I used to spend thousands on rigs; not anymore. I just found an Intel B580 at 300 euros, I may grab it; it is not like I play AAA games anymore (mostly anyway).

If you don't play new games or game at 1080p (or you're fine playing at 1440p with some settings st to high or mid), a B580 is a perfectly valid option and 300€ is about right, $249 + VAT in your country.

Given how scarce they are, I get one... if you can't wait to see how much the 5060s and 9060s cost, as they can shake a bit the market in that segment.

Random_Matt said:

Nvidia can abandon gaming if they wish; they are certainly acting like they do not give a shit.

Don't fool yourself. Despite Jensen claiming that Nvidia is now an AI company, he still cares a lot about winning and being on top of everyone else.

If anything, this f*ck up generation will only make Nvidia come back stronger or, at least, more focused. Not that it's hard to do better than what they've done this gen, but they'll still go hard to try to make everyone forget about it.

Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

Another week, another round of Blackwell shitting the bed. Radeon just might gain 30-50% market share just by showing up since Nvidia sure as shit can't lmao. I'd be curious as to what is causing the supply bottleneck but MSI probably shouldn't have let go of Radeon so quickly.

GeForce RTX 5070 launch in Sweden faces setback: large retailer confirms no incoming stock

https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-5070-launch-in-sweden-faces-setback-large-retailer-confirms-no-incoming-stock

That Hardware Unboxed tweet in the article really sums it all perfectly. AMD did well waiting, and Nvidia really messed up the launch of the 5000 cards. More so if they can't even make enough 5070 cards for a trully global launch.

Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

MSI unlaunches its “MSRP” cards, RTX 50 series get a price hike in official store

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-unlaunches-its-msrp-cards-rtx-50-series-get-a-price-hike-in-official-store

I find it funny how MSI does that and the cards are still out of stock... and they can't really gain anything from the launch of the 9070s because they decided (not without reason, mind you) that it wasn't worth it to keep doing Radeon GPUs and focused only on Nvidia cards. Oopsy!

Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

AMD’s RX 9060 Series GPUs Will Be Released In Q2 2025; Ready To Compete With NVIDIA’s GeForce RTX 5060 GPU Lineup

https://wccftech.com/amds-rx-9060-series-gpus-will-be-released-in-q2-2025/

Radeon effectively killed 5070 before it even launched. Now they need to do it again with the 60 series. They cannot pull another 7600 -$30 vs 4060.

Nvidia killed the 5070 by not making enough cards. And that's despite the delay the 5070 has had.

I hope AMD goes as hard with the 9060s as they're going with the 9070s, because they need to realize that they also have to compete with Intel in that segment.

In any case, pricing at this segment is harder than in the others because the margins are also smaller, so 30 to 50 dollars are harder to stomach and also have a bigger impact than we sometimes think. Those $30 can make a card 10% cheaper than another, which is a big difference in that range of GPUs.



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Current gaming PC: R5-7600, 32GB RAM 6000MT/s (CL30) and a RX 9060XT 16GB

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If you're tired of playing Demos (here are the most played ones), Steam brings you this:

https://store.steampowered.com/category/visual_novel

Given the genre we're talking about, be careful with the NSFW content.

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Please excuse my bad English.

Former gaming PC: i5-4670k@stock (for now), 16Gb RAM 1600 MHz and a GTX 1070

Current gaming PC: R5-7600, 32GB RAM 6000MT/s (CL30) and a RX 9060XT 16GB

Steam / Live / NNID : jonxiquet    Add me if you want, but I'm a single player gamer.

Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

"Uncle Jensen, can you fuck up consumer gpus once since we have been fucking up for the last 8 years? It will show people we aren't rigging the market!"

"Sure thing Lisa! This will keep governments from investigating suspicious behavior!"



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Darc Requiem said:

@Pemalite Could AMD opt for similar solution to their FSR4 issue as Intel does with XESS? A fall back solution that could run on non RDNA4 hardware, It would be better than FSR3 but not as good as RDNA4's FSR4 due to the lack of hardware?

Absolutely no reason why that couldn't be the case... Comes down to resources in the end. - Keep in mind the game "Control" used DLSS 1.9 on release which was done on nVidia's CUDA cores and could theoretically operate on GTX cards. (Eventually updated to version 2.0 which used the tensor cores.)

GCN and RDNA have a ton of compute resources, it's just not the precision or type of compute that's optimal for deep learning... With the exception of RDNA2 which supports various low-precision data types such as INT4 and INT8... Graphics Core Next most notably AMD Vega can do INT8.

In the end it's a compute issue...

But AMD's fallback is FSR3... It's probably not worth their time and money making another fork of FSR for older cards, AMD has limited resources and needs to use those limited resources to compete with nVidia.

Rather... AMD will likely roll their FSR4 into ROCm which is AMD's competitor to CUDA, which has deep learning support included now... And it's open source, so modders will likely do the heavy lifting.
And with ROCm supporting UXL which has the backing of: Intel, Google, Arm, Qualcomm, Samsung, Imagination, and VMware I am hoping development for ROCm becomes significantly larger and more mature to compete with CUDA.

Deep Learning and Ray Tracing is still in it's infancy, lots of development is going to happen in these spaces over the next few years.


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In saying that... You could just run XESS on AMD's cards anyway.

Or... And this may become a thing in the future... NPU add-ons for deep learning.
https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/lenovo-showcases-a-usb-c-connected-ai-stick-with-a-32-tops-npu-on-board

AMD could theoretically use that for FSR4 and make it compatible with everything, even a 3dfx Voodoo 2 12MB from 1998 on Windows 98. Haha (I can dream)

Chazore said:

I actually want them to abandon the gaming market, because I've only recently realised that the entire time they have been in the gaming market, they've slowly fucked it up along the way, from pricing to expectations to pulling the rug, taking most of the market share and then gutting backward compat support with certain technologies.

I feel like they've done more damage to PC gaming over the long-term, compared to AMD and their open source approach. It's also very clear to us now that Nvidia really doesn't give a shit about the games market, because they keep pushing those charts where data centers are above and beyond, and their current and only focus is AI, Ai, AI.

They don't actually have any aspect of gaming left in them as a company. They flat out do not respect nor care for the PC side of the games industry, which is why I want them to fuck off. If you don't care for the craft, get out of the kitchen. 

Gamers actually voted for this with their wallets.
It's the consumers who enabled nVidia.

And this is partly the reason why I have primarily purchased AMD GPU's for the last decade, purely out of price/performance.
Obviously you have people cry "The drivers are bad" - But honestly, it's been such a non-issue.

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Pemalite said:


Gamers actually voted for this with their wallets.

It's the consumers who enabled nVidia.

And this is partly the reason why I have primarily purchased AMD GPU's for the last decade, purely out of price/performance.
Obviously you have people cry "The drivers are bad" - But honestly, it's been such a non-issue.

Well that and their marketing (more you buy, the more you save-type marketing I mean).

I've honestly heard little noise from the AMD drivers front as being bad in the past 4-5ish years, but any time I do see it popping up, it's usually coming from an Nvidia only user. 

Considering how I've been outright kicked out of Nvidia's market in terms of features/performance, but mostly price, AMD's going to be my next choice to go for.



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I've said it a million times here, no new GPU this gen. But that 9950X3D is looking at me like, "Come on, just one little upgrade..." and honestly, I want it badly.



Played few demos over the weekend:

- Gothic Remake: This finally feels mostly true to original (unlike the first demo from several years ago, which was shunned by fans)...well maybe a bit more like mix between Gothic 1 and Risen 1, but that's good thing in my book. There are some rough edges, but than again, it's small team on small budget, and it wouldn't be Gothic without at least some jank.

- Esoteric Ebb: D&D 5e ruleset with heavy Planescape Torment and Disco Elysium influence. Really liked the vibe and quite looking forward to it.

- Solasta II: Follow up to first 5e game adaptation from 2020, Solasta: Crown of the Magister, which was from mechanical and tactical gameplay perspective as 5e game, IMO, vastly superior to BG3 (though given small budget, undercooked in some other areas, but user campaigns fixed some of that). Unfortunately, they decided to try going for BG3 audience and took worst things from it, so currently (it's in pre-alpha) camera is as bad as BG3's (it was superb in original game), UI is completely changed and for me quite unintuitive, original's clean ease of use is gone and currently game lacks features that the first one had. It does look nice, but switch to UE5 from Unity seems to made them go full retard in quite a few other aspects. It's pre-alpha, so hopefully they listen to feedback and fix it in time.

- Nice Day for Fishing: I had to check this out, this is pixel art adventure/RPG/fishing game based on "EPIC NPC Man" from Viva La Dirt League, which I enjoy watching. It's descent rendition of Baelin's adventures in fictional "Skycraft", but If you're not a fan, there's somewhat limited appeal to it.



deskpro2k3 said:

I've said it a million times here, no new GPU this gen. But that 9950X3D is looking at me like, "Come on, just one little upgrade..." and honestly, I want it badly.

With all the hubbub about available GPUs and prices, I can say with 200% certainty the only guaranteed part of my build right now is the 9800X3D. Even if the GPU rapture were to hit tomorrow and the only card left on the market was a 4060, I'd still stick it on a 9800X3D. I'm not sure if I'll end up loving it as much as the 4790k, but it's the only one for me right now.



RTX 5070, another flop.



NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 “Blackwell” Graphics Cards Review Roundup

https://videocardz.com/198359/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5070-blackwell-graphics-cards-review-roundup

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5070-founders-edition/35.html

NVIDIA says GeForce RTX 5070 Founders Edition won’t be availble at launch

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-says-geforce-rtx-5070-founders-edition-wont-be-availble-at-launch

AMD Radeon RX 9060 XT leaks out: 16GB and 8GB memory configs listed

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-9060-xt-leaks-out-16gb-and-8gb-memory-configs-listed

AMD shows Toyshop Realtime Path Tracing demo for Radeon RX 9000 series

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-shows-toyshop-realtime-path-tracing-demo-for-radeon-rx-9000-series

Looks like garbage lol

AMD says Radeon RX 9000 series are optimized for UEFI-only systems

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-says-radeon-rx-9000-series-are-optimized-for-uefi-only-systems

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT Custom Model Reportedly Suffers From High VRAM Temperatures; Memory Can Hit Over 90°C

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-custom-model-suffers-from-high-vram-temperatures/

Within spec but I am sure there will be other models that keep it better cooled

NVIDIA’s GeForce RTX 4090 With 96GB VRAM Reportedly Exists; The GPU May Enter Mass Production Soon, Targeting AI Workloads

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-rtx-4090-with-96gb-vram-reportedly-exists/

AMD’s Medusa Point “Zen 6” APUs Rumored To Ditch RDNA 4/RDNA 5 Architecture For RDNA 3.X

https://wccftech.com/amd-medusa-point-zen-6-apus-ditch-rdna-4-rdna-5-architecture-for-rdna-3-x/



                  

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