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Shaunodon on 02 March 2025
Pemalite said:
Shaunodon said:

Doing my first full new build after over 10 years (I delayed a few years after buying a new smart TV). Nvidia was always a no-brainer for graphics cards (when I built this PC so was Intel for CPUs), but my God the market is like an alternate reality. $2000 NZD on average for a 5070 Ti. I'm pretty sure that was the price of a Titan way back when, and the 5070 Ti is a mid-range card with minimal improvements. Absurd.

With the supposed MSRP of 9070 XT $100 USD less than a PS5 Pro which generally goes for around $1300 NZD, if I can simply get the 9070 XT for that or lower and not worry about cables burning they will have me. Unfortunately way down here we're destined to be an afterthought even if AMD manages to come through everywhere else.

If the 9070 XT is also averaging near $2000 I'm just going to pay the extra for a 5080. I really only wanted to spend $4000 ideally for the overall build and maybe go to $5000 for a higher card if they seemed better value, but now that's closer to $6000 or $10000 if you want a flagship burn-your-savings graphics card. Yes, mainstream PC builds have hit 5 figures in our country.

The prices all make me want to vomit, but my PC is inching towards Death's door every day so I can't really avoid it. Maybe I can just pray to make it another year or so since I don't need a PC for modern gaming right now. I just don't see when the market will actually improve.

People can blame bad guy Nvidia all they like, and there's no excusing them. I just don't see much difference from this current scenario and the original launch of XSX and PS5 during Covid, with it being a scalper's haven and retailers marking up prices with a bunch of useless junk no one wanted. But that didn't stop the demand for the producs raging forward and consumers lapping them all up for years. The consumers are at least as culpable for feeding into the greed of Nvidia and these other multi-corps. They wouldn't keep pushing for these anti-consumer practices if they didn't believe they could get away with them. Only the consumers can prove them wrong, so it's on them now.

You should be able to import from Australia really easily as we have free travel and trade between us, but not sure if the dollar conversion would ruin it?

The comparison will be with the 7900GRE which came in at about $800-$900 AUD.

If things aren't great market-wise on Kiwi island, hit me up and I can help organize something to be sent over... But no way would $2000 be appropriate (Your currency has typically been about 70cents to our dollar), you would be better tasked looking at something like the 7800XT.

And yes. These are nVidia TITAN levels of pricing or even more (Ignoring inflation), such is the reality of profit-growth when you can't grow a mature market.

$800-$900 AUD Would be great right now. Practically half of what the 5070Ti is going for right now. Up to $1500 NZD is probably my limit for that level of card. Anything closing in on $2000, I'd rather consider spending the extra ~$1000 for a 5080. Hard as that is to stomach.

The 7900XTX, which is about the only current AMD card I can even find available to order (not even in stock) is listed at a flat $2000 NZD. Same price if not cheaper than the 5070Ti right now and much cheaper than the 5080. Only downside is it doesn't have AMD's new RDNA 4 architechture, but that's still some value compared to the 50 cards*. Gives me hope that the 9070 XT will be well priced here.

*After checking benchmarks not as great as I believed.

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Rhonin the wizard on 02 March 2025

Isle of Jura is free to keep on Steam until 9th of March.



JEMC on 02 March 2025

Thanks for sharing, Rhonin.



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haxxiy on 02 March 2025
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

According to techpowerup, FSR4 needs an AI acceleration throughput of 779 AI TOPS. RX 9070 has around 1200 TOPS, RX 9070 XT has around 1500 TOPS. PS5 Pro has around 300 TOPs for reference but supposedly FSR4 is using a different implementation than Sony and Nvidia to achieve it's Ai upscaling. Frame Generation is the same as FSR 3 so it's not Ai generated but honestly, the Ai generation part of Nvidia's Frame Gen hasn't impressed me anyway. At the end of the day though, the proof will be in the pudding.

I suppose that's just them referring to the overall performance of the 9000 series cards because I'm almost positive FSR4 isn't running on sparse INT4 instructions but FP8 instead, which would be ~290 and ~390 TOPS respectively for the 9070 cards.

That is more comparable in scope to the PS5 Pro (which Cerny called "8-bit TOPS" but I reckon it means FP8/BF8) and the computational costs of DLSS 3.5 CNN at higher resolutions.

So, theoretically, they could run it on the PS5 Pro. I'm just not sure/remember exactly how it does matrix calculations (if it's more like RDNA3 or RDNA4) since one takes away from raster ops and the other seemingly does not.



 

 

 

 

 

Random_Matt on 03 March 2025

I used to spend thousands on rigs; not anymore. I just found an Intel B580 at 300 euros, I may grab it; it is not like I play AAA games anymore (mostly anyway).



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HoloDust on 03 March 2025

It seems cards that came with less ROPs perform up to 11% slower than proper cards.

5000 series is complete shitshow, even for nGreedia - if AMD doesn't do something completely stupid, they really stand a chance to get back some of dGPU market.



Bofferbrauer2 on 03 March 2025

Saw this video on Youtube, comparing the 9070XT to the 5070Ti and the 7900XT:

Basically, the 7900XT is getting smoked while the 5070Ti and the 9070XT are trading blows both in 1440p ultra and 4k ultra. In general the 9070XT is faster at 1440p but loses a bit at 4k.

Now of course the card ain't out yet, so we don't know the performance for sure or if this video is even real, but if this holds true then the 5070Ti is in dire straits come end of the week.



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Random_Matt on 03 March 2025
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Saw this video on Youtube, comparing the 9070XT to the 5070Ti and the 7900XT:

Basically, the 7900XT is getting smoked while the 5070Ti and the 9070XT are trading blows both in 1440p ultra and 4k ultra. In general the 9070XT is faster at 1440p but loses a bit at 4k.

Now of course the card ain't out yet, so we don't know the performance for sure or if this video is even real, but if this holds true then the 5070Ti is in dire straits come end of the week.

These youtuber's downclock/overclock equivalent cards for guesstimates; they do not actually own one.



Shaunodon on 03 March 2025
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Saw this video on Youtube, comparing the 9070XT to the 5070Ti and the 7900XT:

Basically, the 7900XT is getting smoked while the 5070Ti and the 9070XT are trading blows both in 1440p ultra and 4k ultra. In general the 9070XT is faster at 1440p but loses a bit at 4k.

Now of course the card ain't out yet, so we don't know the performance for sure or if this video is even real, but if this holds true then the 5070Ti is in dire straits come end of the week.

As long as the cards don't exploded and the wires don't catch on fire, the only thing that can stop AMD from getting their biggest win in forever is stock availability and the resulting price gouging. If they have enough stock prepared wtih AIBs priced close to the MSRP they should dominate the mainstream market.



Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 03 March 2025

Another week, another round of Blackwell shitting the bed. Radeon just might gain 30-50% market share just by showing up since Nvidia sure as shit can't lmao. I'd be curious as to what is causing the supply bottleneck but MSI probably shouldn't have let go of Radeon so quickly.

GeForce RTX 5070 launch in Sweden faces setback: large retailer confirms no incoming stock

https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-5070-launch-in-sweden-faces-setback-large-retailer-confirms-no-incoming-stock

MSI unlaunches its “MSRP” cards, RTX 50 series get a price hike in official store

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-unlaunches-its-msrp-cards-rtx-50-series-get-a-price-hike-in-official-store

GeForce RTX 4060 becomes the most popular GPU among Steam players

https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-4060-becomes-the-most-popular-gpu-among-steam-players

CPU-Z Validator will now warn about GeForce RTX 50 cards with missing ROPs

https://videocardz.com/newz/cpu-z-validator-will-now-warn-about-geforce-rtx-50-cards-with-missing-rops

NVIDIA’s Latest Driver Update Is Apparently Unable To Resolve “Black Screen” Issues For Many Users; MFG-Supported Titles Are Now Crashing

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-latest-driver-update-is-apparently-unable-to-resolve-black-screen-issues-for-many-users/

AMD’s RX 9060 Series GPUs Will Be Released In Q2 2025; Ready To Compete With NVIDIA’s GeForce RTX 5060 GPU Lineup

https://wccftech.com/amds-rx-9060-series-gpus-will-be-released-in-q2-2025/

Radeon effectively killed 5070 before it even launched. Now they need to do it again with the 60 series. They cannot pull another 7600 -$30 vs 4060.



                  

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