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Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

I think there's a slight chance DLSS 4 might work with rtx 4000 series if Nvidias claims of DLSS 3 being exclusive to 4000 series due to hardware limitation is actually legit.

The TOPs of a 3090 for example is 285 TOPs while the TOPs of a 4060 is 242 TOPs. And big daddy 4090 has 1321 TOPs.

So it depends on how much faster Blackwell is compared to Lovelace in TOPs as DLSS is heavily dependent on it. But Nvidia could always make it exclusive cause they are greedy.

They got that excuse to work with the 4000 series and ppl still bought their cards, so I've no reason to believe they won't make it exclusive to the new 5000 series, especially given how AMD isn't going to bother competing in the high end this gen. Nvidia knows it's ahead in that curve, so they can afford to just pull a greedy move and make it exclusive to a single series a second time.

Given how modern gaming is going atm though, I don't think I'd care, because it's becoming more and more of a band-aid for devs and optimisation is currently shitting the bed. 

Also, funny we're talking about DLSS:



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Can't get an optical drive slot hard drive caddy to work for my bro's laptop. He's got an account with HP but every time we try to post it's saying he doesn't have the privileges to access the community for some reason. Hoping this community can maybe help to whatever degree.

The laptop is an HP 17-ca1001ca (2020 low end model) with up to date Win 10 and up to date BIOS. It has 2 internal stock storage slots. An M.2 for either SATA or PCIe, as well as a 2.5" SATA. He's got an M.2 PCIe NVMe with his OS on it and a 2.5" HDD just for storage. The optical drive slot definitely works, as it did before and still does. The BIOS and Windows (disk management) see it fine and it works, but when the caddy is installed it doesn't see anything anywhere.
The new SSD definitely works, as I've checked with a USB adapter, and I've also tried an HDD I've got lying around and it's good but doesn't work in the caddy either. I've tried them both in the caddy uninitialized, initialized, and formatted, an nothing works. I also don't think it's a power problem because while the SSD specs say it uses up to 7.5w, the HDD only uses up to 3.5w so at the very least the HDD should work if the SSD needed too much power for that ODD SATA slot.
I've messed with the BIOS a bit but it's very basic and doesn't show much and doesn't allow for many changes. I tried what I could with it but no luck there either.

Now the caddy was supposed to have a selector switch, as the product pics show, but the caddy he received doesn't have any switches. I've looked it up and the switch can be in different places but this caddy doesn't have any switch anywhere. I also don't know if his laptop requires the switch or not, as it's not clear when its necessary or not, but seems as though you don't always need a switch either. We don't really have any way to test the caddy by itself to know if it's any good or not either.

Is there any chance the laptop just won't allow for a third storage drive? I'm not really clear exactly on how the caddy works in the ODD SATA slot, but it sounds like it basically tricks the BIOS into thinking there's an ODD still in there, which allows Windows to see and use the SSD in the caddy? If that's the case I don't see why any laptop wouldn't be able to use a caddy with an extra storage drive, but perhaps that's not the case?

Just not sure what to think. Right now I'm kinda assuming he either needs a caddy with the switch or this caddy itself is faulty. Anything I might be missing? Any other idea's?

Here's the caddy product link:
https://www.amazon.ca/SZYIKUER-9-5mm-Tray-DRIVES-12-7silver/dp/B075814NB2/ref=sr_1_1?crid=356JUB8P90S5W&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.wfgZQJFztiwHv3TrNcBfVLSkXXJrjHg5FPJ24M-tFGQIGhP78GH_58AWFoOGlGjBImlWWQSQ3HpYW8Mv4fpPJ9B2I0fcFtxbvRG164jMI9H-pKyaysVcny8d7ncLUWuN-kC70ECKEU8n8ZJaa26oSMZmHj27HPruGZHGd5CpbBWJ3XxZOqLjDFUwauhvId-rZP5rwmfk-6qeNDrcHwMNTrWegiYDzn4ZTKSKkBnTsTzQdxUpJmmXUAymKDtz7Rxfyj5kQVnebheeniwJiUNkFgq153v8SNN47ZQ31ONrVg4ttHwirLGi2fkL9LDjXiZPNyuVsSMX10RHCUNFakQXJ3HhKese-uYQsFW-rF66CZag_iBwytPNEuBMDUhjOfpF2Y7gRik915-yW2aeWT9sW2wRTBUYrl3ylvrTTkYY4jLJOjR8V11OSHwsr4BMh7O9.uaJRi2NLu_Po2hzBxKiT_iAFe58bd_Iy4UzB4NfDIAc&dib_tag=se&keywords=2nd%2Bhard%2Bdrive%2Bcaddy&qid=1736120609&sprefix=2nd%2Bhard%2Bdrive%2B%2Caps%2C290&sr=8-1&th=1



JEMC said:

ReBAR was enabled. He says it in the video and it's a mandatory step to do for anyone using an Intel GPU as they perform like crap without it, also shown in the video.

It's a real shame as no one is going to spend $500 on a CPU and then $250 on a GPU for gaming, and that puts the B580 a really bad spot in CPU demanding games. I don't even want to see how it would fare on a game like Civilization or Stellaris with all those background calculations.

I hope Intel find the root and manages to fix it.

Yeah, some of these results on lower end CPU's could be considered "performs like crap" so I wasn't sure if that was the reason.

It's suspected to be a driver issue, so perhaps Intel can do something about this.
And hopefully they do in that case, because a lot of their customers would likely have an older CPU.

This is a shame to see. It looked like such a home run for Intel.

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Fanatical has a great Monster Hunter Bundle which includes Rise + World and all main DLC with some cosmetic DLC.

Add all of them for $24.99, sweet deal.



haxxiy said:

Are you ready for the bullshit slides tomorrow?

"2-4X faster than 3090 Ti"

Read: in path-traced games with frame generation enabled - all eight of them... (granted, games featuring just DLSS3 are much more common nowadays)

Doesn't AMD's Keynote come before NVidia's today? I wonder what they'll have to say for the 9070XT and other cards - and probably also the 9900X3D and 9950X3D.



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EricHiggin said:

Can't get an optical drive slot hard drive caddy to work for my bro's laptop. He's got an account with HP but every time we try to post it's saying he doesn't have the privileges to access the community for some reason. Hoping this community can maybe help to whatever degree.

The laptop is an HP 17-ca1001ca (2020 low end model) with up to date Win 10 and up to date BIOS. It has 2 internal stock storage slots. An M.2 for either SATA or PCIe, as well as a 2.5" SATA. He's got an M.2 PCIe NVMe with his OS on it and a 2.5" HDD just for storage. The optical drive slot definitely works, as it did before and still does. The BIOS and Windows (disk management) see it fine and it works, but when the caddy is installed it doesn't see anything anywhere.
The new SSD definitely works, as I've checked with a USB adapter, and I've also tried an HDD I've got lying around and it's good but doesn't work in the caddy either. I've tried them both in the caddy uninitialized, initialized, and formatted, an nothing works. I also don't think it's a power problem because while the SSD specs say it uses up to 7.5w, the HDD only uses up to 3.5w so at the very least the HDD should work if the SSD needed too much power for that ODD SATA slot.
I've messed with the BIOS a bit but it's very basic and doesn't show much and doesn't allow for many changes. I tried what I could with it but no luck there either.

Now the caddy was supposed to have a selector switch, as the product pics show, but the caddy he received doesn't have any switches. I've looked it up and the switch can be in different places but this caddy doesn't have any switch anywhere. I also don't know if his laptop requires the switch or not, as it's not clear when its necessary or not, but seems as though you don't always need a switch either. We don't really have any way to test the caddy by itself to know if it's any good or not either.

Is there any chance the laptop just won't allow for a third storage drive? I'm not really clear exactly on how the caddy works in the ODD SATA slot, but it sounds like it basically tricks the BIOS into thinking there's an ODD still in there, which allows Windows to see and use the SSD in the caddy? If that's the case I don't see why any laptop wouldn't be able to use a caddy with an extra storage drive, but perhaps that's not the case?

Just not sure what to think. Right now I'm kinda assuming he either needs a caddy with the switch or this caddy itself is faulty. Anything I might be missing? Any other idea's?

Here's the caddy product link:
https://www.amazon.ca/SZYIKUER-9-5mm-Tray-DRIVES-12-7silver/dp/B075814NB2/ref=sr_1_1?crid=356JUB8P90S5W&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.wfgZQJFztiwHv3TrNcBfVLSkXXJrjHg5FPJ24M-tFGQIGhP78GH_58AWFoOGlGjBImlWWQSQ3HpYW8Mv4fpPJ9B2I0fcFtxbvRG164jMI9H-pKyaysVcny8d7ncLUWuN-kC70ECKEU8n8ZJaa26oSMZmHj27HPruGZHGd5CpbBWJ3XxZOqLjDFUwauhvId-rZP5rwmfk-6qeNDrcHwMNTrWegiYDzn4ZTKSKkBnTsTzQdxUpJmmXUAymKDtz7Rxfyj5kQVnebheeniwJiUNkFgq153v8SNN47ZQ31ONrVg4ttHwirLGi2fkL9LDjXiZPNyuVsSMX10RHCUNFakQXJ3HhKese-uYQsFW-rF66CZag_iBwytPNEuBMDUhjOfpF2Y7gRik915-yW2aeWT9sW2wRTBUYrl3ylvrTTkYY4jLJOjR8V11OSHwsr4BMh7O9.uaJRi2NLu_Po2hzBxKiT_iAFe58bd_Iy4UzB4NfDIAc&dib_tag=se&keywords=2nd%2Bhard%2Bdrive%2Bcaddy&qid=1736120609&sprefix=2nd%2Bhard%2Bdrive%2B%2Caps%2C290&sr=8-1&th=1

Could it be that you can only connect one device through the SATA, as in, either the 2.5 inch storage or the disc drive, without the switch?



I was lucky and was able to get a 3090 basically at launch for $1800 so been running it for a bit over 4 years now. I leaning toward buying the 5090 assuming it not more then $2500 which with nvidia these days who knows. I am guessing the 5090 after launch only going to get more expensive not cheaper especially with the possibility of tariffs and I not sure I willing to wait till 2027 for a 6090. 6 years would be longer than I ever gone without upgrading. 4 years is already getting close to my record without a upgrade.

It don't seem worth it going to a 5080 as I been playing with running some LLMs locally lately and the 24GB in the 3090 get eaten up very quickly so don't really want to downgrade ram. Which leaves 5090 only viable option for a upgrade in 2025. Ideally would like something even more powerful for LLMs but those cards are way out of my budget and I would still need a gaming card since those would not be good for that so 5090 my only option for a upgrade for that also.

This going to be expensive year I think for me because I still prefer 27 inch monitors and not upgraded in a long time because been waiting for something like this that just been announce no price yet https://rog.asus.com/us/monitors/27-to-31-5-inches/rog-swift-oled-pg27ucdm/. Hopefully 5090 will have a DP 2.1 UHBR20 slot also I can't imagine Nvidia skipping it for another generation but who knows with nvidia.



AMD announces FSR4, available “only on Radeon RX 9070 series”

https://videocardz.com/pixel/amd-announces-fsr4-available-only-on-radeon-rx-9070-series

Remember folks, Intel found a way to run XeSS on RDNA 2...

AMD previews Radeon RX 9070 XT and 9070 Series, RDNA4 launches Q1 2025

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-previews-radeon-rx-9070-xt-and-9070-series-rdna4-launches-q1-2025

"Today is only the announcement, no specs, performance, pricing or release date"

Gotta wait for Nvidia so they can do their 5-10% discount lmao

AMD introduces Ryzen Z2 Series

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-introduces-ryzen-z2-series-confirms-valve-steam-deck-update

AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D officially outpaces 7950X3D by 8% and Intel 285K by 20% in gaming

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-9950x3d-officially-outpaces-7950x3d-by-8-and-intel-285k-by-20-in-gaming

Exclusive: First look at GeForce RTX 5090 with 32GB GDDR7 memory

https://videocardz.com/newz/exclusive-first-look-at-geforce-rtx-5090-with-32gb-gddr7-memory



                  

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Cyran said:

I was lucky and was able to get a 3090 basically at launch for $1800 so been running it for a bit over 4 years now. I leaning toward buying the 5090 assuming it not more then $2500 which with nvidia these days who knows. I am guessing the 5090 after launch only going to get more expensive not cheaper especially with the possibility of tariffs and I not sure I willing to wait till 2027 for a 6090. 6 years would be longer than I ever gone without upgrading. 4 years is already getting close to my record without a upgrade.

It don't seem worth it going to a 5080 as I been playing with running some LLMs locally lately and the 24GB in the 3090 get eaten up very quickly so don't really want to downgrade ram. Which leaves 5090 only viable option for a upgrade in 2025. Ideally would like something even more powerful for LLMs but those cards are way out of my budget and I would still need a gaming card since those would not be good for that so 5090 my only option for a upgrade for that also.

This going to be expensive year I think for me because I still prefer 27 inch monitors and not upgraded in a long time because been waiting for something like this that just been announce no price yet https://rog.asus.com/us/monitors/27-to-31-5-inches/rog-swift-oled-pg27ucdm/. Hopefully 5090 will have a DP 2.1 UHBR20 slot also I can't imagine Nvidia skipping it for another generation but who knows with nvidia.

I know it may be rude to ask, but what type of LLM's have you been testing with recently?.

Are they ones designed for visual generation/learning, or code learning ones?.



Step right up come on in, feel the buzz in your veins, I'm like an chemical electrical right into your brain and I'm the one who killed the Radio, soon you'll all see

So pay up motherfuckers you belong to "V"