I agree with you about the 4070. And it's interesting how the performance changes compared to the 3080 going from faster to slower as the resolution goes up.

As Yuri said, 1700 may get a refresh based on the current architecture, but we don't know how those may look like. Too many rumors about it.

And yeah, AMD said it would support AM5 until 2025, probably a couple of new CPU releases, but you should still be able to find a compatible processor in 5 years. Maybe not the latest or the best, but still a good upgrade (and also cheaper as it won't be new anymore).

Sounds smart. I'm also entertaining the idea that there will be actually worthwhile m.2 drives on PCIe 5.0 within a few years. For now, the performance increase isn't worth the extra premium, not by by a long shot. I'll be going with a 1TB drive for OS and doodles, something around the 7000/7000 mark in speed. And for gaming/various stuff, I'll be getting either a 2TB or 4TB drive with roughly the same speed. Apparently, the larger the drive, the more/bigger write cycles it can perform before it says goodnight (which is important if I plan on keeping it for many years).

I generally keep my rigs for a long time, as my other electronics, which is why I need something powerful and stable, as well as something that can be improved in increments. I had my last phone for 5 years, and I still have every single console I ever owned. I think my average time between rigs is around 6,5-7 years or so.

Honestly that is still my recommendation outside of 4090 buyers. Buying neither Nvidia or Radeon feels good right now. Nvidia because of how greedy they are and AMD cause of a lack of features amongst other issues like with emulation.

There is a good amount of reasons to wait for next gen imo. GPU and PC shipments in general have massively gone down similar to Turning. The price and performance outside of flagship is largely unappealing like Turing. Nvidia should be switching to Samsung similar to Ampere. Nvidia is increasing their vram for the mid ranged every generation. There are new features like DLSS 3 and VSR that need some more updates to get their kinks worked out similar to Turing.

So I think there's a good chance that Blackwell will be similar to Ampere in terms of performance uplift for the price you pay. $600 could be the new price for the 5070 regardless but imo, the performance uplift would be worth the price by then. And they could potentially add in 16GB of vram for the 70 class as well.

Yeah, I mean if this were a traditional generation this would a 4060Ti tier card and priced $450-$500. And waiting nearing three years for this is just super underwhelming like the rest of the lower tier GPU's. To put this into perspective the 3060Ti was on par with a 2080 Super and launched at $399, or £369. This gen has 50% inflated cost over last gen.. and we're getting on par if not a little lower (DLSS 3 notwithstanding) than a regular 80 tier card of previous generation.

While I do think what Nvidia is doing with software is very cool and innovative.. their GPU pricing and naming shenannigans the last couple of years has been total garbage. Ampere prices stayed the same. The only other alternative is AMD with RDNA cards but they miss big features like Reflex and other really useful Nvidia proprietary features.

Not sure if its worth looking out for a deal now for a sub $300 as a stop gap. I feel we might see some major price drops for the 7900XT in the upcoming months. And perhaps the 7800XT could be sub-$500.

And true, moving price points I think sets them up with next gens 3nm costs. Though (like you said) we should at least we should see some good generational gains with an overhauled architecture. And by then RT should be viable on lower end cards.

For a stopgap, if you were to need one, I'd suggest the 6700XT, as it can be found for about $350 right now. Nothing else comes really close in price/performance in that price range. Sure, it's a bit above $300, but it also might allow you to wait for the next gen if nothing else comes out this gen that sparks your itnerest.

Yeah, I mean if this were a traditional generation this would a 4060Ti tier card and priced $450-$500. And waiting nearing three years for this is just super underwhelming like the rest of the lower tier GPU's. To put this into perspective the 3060Ti was on par with a 2080 Super and launched at $399, or £369. This gen has 50% inflated cost over last gen.. and we're getting on par if not a little lower (DLSS 3 notwithstanding) than a regular 80 tier card of previous generation.

While I do think what Nvidia is doing with software is very cool and innovative.. their GPU pricing and naming shenannigans the last couple of years has been total garbage. Ampere prices stayed the same. The only other alternative is AMD with RDNA cards but they miss big features like Reflex and other really useful Nvidia proprietary features.

Not sure if its worth looking out for a deal now for a sub $300 as a stop gap. I feel we might see some major price drops for the 7900XT in the upcoming months. And perhaps the 7800XT could be sub-$500.

And true, moving price points I think sets them up with next gens 3nm costs. Though (like you said) we should at least we should see some good generational gains with an overhauled architecture. And by then RT should be viable on lower end cards.

Guys; quick question as I'm sifting through the jungle of motherboards and compatibility issues. How long will the LGA 1700 remain relevant/viable for upgrade? I understand it's quite new, but I've heard that it might be short-lived, causing potential issues 4-5 years down the line if I wish to upgrade my CPU. I mostly want PCIe 5.0 support and DDR5, but that's not hard to find. I think perhaps AMD is a safer bet, with them usually keeping their sockets for longer (AM5 will more than likely be viable in 5 years time).

As I've mentioned before, I have no loyalty. I'm considering either a 13600K or perhaps the 7800X3D, the latter seems like crazy value in comparison, especially given its low consumption. 4090 combo with 7800X3D is looking mighty sweet.

Skimmed through a few reviews and idk man.. might sit out this gen at this rate.

Whats dissapointing me the most as the silicon gets cut down more and all the benefits gained from going to a massively improved node.. gets lost. With essentially the same RT performance as last gen with a slight price improvement and efficiency. And just Ai as the big seller. Shits so bad that even RDNA 2 cards compete with RT with these cards lol.

Yeah I mean its not a bad card. £600, too is my upper limit for buying a new graphics card. Sadly the uplift in performance has stagnated a lot this generation. Still a big jump from our old Pascal cards though and decent performance. Okay in todays inflated prices but that's not saying much.

Yea it's basically another Pascal to Turing situation where Pascal was god tier and Turing was hella lame. Ampere could have been another Pascal or but we all know what happened with crypto and now inflation and etc. Now I am not excusing Nvidia cause they are absolutely taking advantage of a shitty situation. But that is what it is because Nvidia is stupidly greedy so the GPU choices are once again horrid.

As far as a stop gap situation goes, it depends on your situation really. RDNA 2 has depreciated quite heavily which is a good thing for a stop gap solution because when it comes time to sell the 6700XT, you should get a good amount of money back, especially if you time it right. But it also depends on the games that you would be playing. Cause all a 6700XT is, is a faster Raster GPU. It won't give you much in terms of Ray Tracing, FSR is terrible at anything lower than 4k, the switch emulation if you are in to that can be a bit wonky with Radeon and no Reflex either.

So if you want a stop gap solution because your 1070 simply can't keep up with the games you want to play, then imo, 6700XT is a great stop gap solution. But if all you play is games like Overwatch where a 1070 is still plenty capable, then it might not be worth getting cause a 1070 is already a "stop gap" solution if you get what I am saying.

But what you could do is buy a 6700XT from amazon, use it for a week or two, see how you like it and if it's a worthy upgrade for the games that you play or want to play, keep it. Otherwise you can return it.

See to me, AI isn't even the big seller, because I see it as a mere band-aid, needed in order for those cut down cards to reach the "impressive" 100fps mark, when before that we used to just brute force or simply turn down settings.

Take away the Ai this or that and the cards do a measly 50-60fps with RT, so basically same as first and partly 2nd gen, which feels like a comedic joke at this point with the yrs that have passed. 

I don't mind AI tech, but I wish AI GPU tech would stop being so heavily relied upon, because we're still stuck paying more money for hardware, when really we're now relying so heavily on the software side of things to do something our cards were able to do for decades. 

I'm prob gonna sit out this gen myself, because it's been pricy as hell, limited in stock, and most benches have to either rely on AI to make the results look decent, or not rely on AI and make the results look piddling as hell. Either way I'm not winning. 

Notice how Guru brought up the 1080ti multiple times in his vid?, haven't seen many benchers bring up that card in yrs now, so it's interesting to see him bring it up now of all times, with the 4000 series.