| Serious_frusting said: What superchunk said. Also i wouldn't want to have to feel pressured into getting married just to experience sex. |
Do people really do this? Someone who feels the need to have sex so badly that they would go to such lengths is far too immature to intimate with anyone.
Calmador said:
Exodus 2:1414 “You shall not commit adultery. This is the "master" verse that speaks of either all or most of sexual immorality as I know it, as a Christian. This is one of the ten commandments. Adultery is sex outside of marriage. This means you can't have sex with animals. This means that sex before marriage, fornificiation, is not something to do as-well. I'm surprised you even need a verse to a very very well known principle. |
That is up for interpretation, as adultery can merely mean "don't sleep with someone who isn't your spouse".
So having sex with your girlfriend and only her, wouldn't break it.
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Saving yourself is a dying practice.
Sex is a natural impulse and is best done responsibly and with someone you love. Without it, you become more prone to stress and irritability. Done right, it strengthens the bond between the couple.
And you will be a 20 something virgin who will most likely suck at your first time. Oh and your virgin wife, will be in great pain and bleed. Happy 1st time.
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| sales2099 said: Saving yourself is a dying practice. Sex is a natural impulse and is best done responsibly and with someone you love. Without it, you become more prone to stress and irritability. Done right, it strengthens the bond between the couple. And you will be a 20 something virgin who will most likely suck at your first time. Oh and your virgin wife, will be in great pain and bleed. Happy 1st time. |
lol, you'd rather some other dude get her going for you?
outlawauron said:
lol, you'd rather some other dude get her going for you? |
lol not sure what you mean. Just saying its better to "get it out of the way" as it paves the way for greater sex in the future, all while not having to wait a certain number of years before you have "permission" to do it.
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Scoobes said:
1. Let me put it this way. The way a witness answers a question in court is heavily skewed by the vocabulary used when the question is asked. Memories are incredibly easy to manipulate and are influenced by numerous factors. Without supporting evidence, witness testimonials are next to useless. 2. If you've read up on psychology, neuroscience and simply the biology of your eyes, then you should also know that the brain is quite capable of conjuring up different images, especially when in the dark. You don't need drugs for the imagination to interpret what you see, or hear and give it context based on your own bias. The sub-conscious brain is more than capable of conjuring up thoughts or images that could be associated with god, especially when the context of prayer is put in. For instance, I've seen a figure in red robes when in a dark room (I wasn't praying) which wasn't there, but I now know how big a part the brain plays in vision and how the brain likes to interpret and put context into your sight. Had I been praying at the time, my own bias, the context of prayer and the coincidence of seeing the figure would likely have made me associate it with god. But that's not evidence of god, it's a trick of the human brain. I recommend looking into some of the stuff Derren Brown has done and how easily the brain can be manipulated, even during the course of a 5-10 minute journey to work. 3. I don't want to get too far into a moral debate but 'good' and 'evil' are both human constructs and are both completely relative to the rules of the society you live in. They are forever changing. In the past, slavery was completely acceptable, now it's evil. You can die a martyr and by one group you're seen as the epitome of 'good' but by another you're completely 'evil'. It's all relative and it's entirely human. On that note, even the formation of the new testament is heavily influenced by humans. There were far more texts than are currently included and the chosen texts were picked by humans, with all their flaws and bias. 4. There are 5 other major religions around the world and I'm pretty sure each one has individuals describing similar events as you're describing here. Spiritiuality isn't solely a Christian thing, it isn't even solely a god thing. Again, context is everything. If you were raised in a predominantly Hindu area, you're more likely to associate your personal experiences with Hindu gods as that's what your brain has the most knowledge of and you would have been praying to Hindu gods. 5. Personal experience is a horrible way to prove anything. We all have bias, we're all flawed and as I've alluded to in points 1&2, we're all incredibly easy to influence, mainpulate and delude. The best way to prove something is to gather data/information from multiple methods and sources, then scrutinise that information with a ranevidence ge of other people, test it and repeat until you have a solid argument. Your testimony means absolutely nothing if you can't back it up with more information than personal experiences. I see no reason to treat you any different to any other witness, therefore I need to see accompanying (other people's personal experiences are just as wishy washy for the reasons stated in points 1&2). I also find it odd you say I'm basing my conclusions on bad grounds. What conclusions? You're the one basing conclusions on only a single method (personal and bias experiences). I'm saying there isn't anywhere near enough information to reach the conclusions you've come to. |
1. Sure, nevertheless it can be used as supporting evidence. That's how the court does it. I'm speaking from a truth context... not court. I use the court as an example of how we use testimonial evidence. I speak from a truth context and I'm telling I saw something supernatural.
2. Or those things we see are not really illusions. And we simply know what parts of the brain are working when we see them... just how the brain is seen working when we see something. But, hey let's say illusions like tha do happen. The logical answer I came about is still logical. The thing is... this doesn't happen everyday. lol It's possible I had another vision but I'm skeptical about that one. But, just to get all bases in... I had 1-2 visions in all my life. I've been in pretty low times many times through out my life... why didn't I have multiple visions? I mean if its a pyschological and biological thing... I should have had multiple. Instead what stands out is that I saw something out of this world... WHEN I specfically prayed for it. The idea that this was a coincidence... is unlikely and unreasonable. The reasonable answer is that God actually answered my prayer.
And let me add... if I haven't already... that this was not the first and last time I've noted this kind of experience. I've had 3 other prayers answered literally in seconds, two of them, I think were extremely unlikely. The other one, in your mind.. might be dodgy but since I know God exists. I'm inclined to say it was God. Also, I personally met/know family and non-family that have had these experiences. My brother said qoute,"I was chased by a monster." He's now a Christian. He used to be rebilious about accepting the idea of a spiritual realm.
3. Humans can base their decisions on the relative environment... that doesn't mean morality is relative. No, it's not relative. When you go down that path... you lead yourself to a world of contricadictions. I think your problem is that you don't understand what an idea is.. does honesty.. (not stealing) change when your in different countries? Do you understand that? Let's say... you go to a land... where there is no people... and your there all by yourself... and you write down what honesty means... does it change? It doesn't depend on you to make whatever you want of it... you just write it down. Do you see?
4. Nope, my soul would be the same. If I grew up with a hindu family. God still exists.. and my soul is the same so I would sooner or later become Christian at one point in my life. There's no cause or effect to it.. but there might be an influence. But, the key concept is that that's not the cause and effect. The reason I'm Christain is because I accepted God, the God we all know, nomatter where your from.
5. I've had other experiences... And I don't see how personal experiences are terrible. lol If someone tells you he/she saw something... I think anything with a shred of reasoning will lean to believe it. Example... Hey I saw my best frien,"Daneil yesterday and we hanged out" ... "I saw that one girl I like" etc etc.. We use this logic literally EVERYDAY. When someone says they saw something.. unless your living with with peopel who lie constantly.. a shred of logic in anyone will make you want to lean to yes you saw something. The wierd thing is I often hear this,"Hey Christians have you seen anything spiritual?" as a way to refute our beliefs... then I say,"Yeah I have" Then the reply is,"AHHH you just imagined it"
Stop playing games. I saw something. It was a vision. I prayed specifcally for a vision. It happened... and that wasn't the first time nor am I alone.. others have experienced it. The most reasonable explanation is that people are experiencing super natural events. Yes, Yes, maybe a certian amount of them might be false. But, not all of them...... why ....... cause I'm an eye-witness.
Really? Well, I believe you exist and I haven't seen you yet.... think very carefully about how I came to that conclusion of your existence. Hint: You responded. Nothing but simple logic used.
So, do you know the fundmental beliefs of the Bible because if you honestly think its no different from other religions... I KNOW that you knwo very little about what Christianity. Do you know the beliefs of the Christianity and why its IMMENSELY (I think I can say its "infinitely" different) different from other religions?
All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.
I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.
sales2099 said:
That is up for interpretation, as adultery can merely mean "don't sleep with someone who isn't your spouse". So having sex with your girlfriend and only her, wouldn't break it. |
Its up for God to interpert it to us... The following verses settle it.
Fornication is clearly implied by both Jesus and Paul the apostle ... and I think Paul is a lot more direct.
Jesus
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Lusting alone is immoral and sexual immorality... fornication, would fall under that. This can also imply, pornography and masterbation... things that will cause or need lust.
Paul
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I.
9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
Paul says it is better to marry... than burn (in lustful passion)... since Godly teaching would teach us to refrain from fornicating. Hence, its possible to "burn."
I'm soooo gonna save these verses.
All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.
I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.
TheLastStarFighter said:
Again, no it isn't. You really need to stop Bible quoting, especially from the english version. In the quotes you're using there, the original Greek terminology was "pornea". This was incorrectly tranlated to "fornication" in the King James. The problem is that there isn't really a proper single word for pornea in modern english, because it is a contextual word. It's kinda like "Tebowing". If St Paul was telling you not to "Tebow" you would know what he meant if you followed American Football. You know it meant not to kneel and pray after scoring a touchdown. 13 centeries from now though, the reference wouldn't be understood and you might try to come up with terms like "celebrate a victory" or something of that nature, but that is too general. The Corinthians back in the day had a great temple you could go to. The operators of said temple rounded up women as sexual slaves. If you were a farmer hoping for a good crop you could go and pay for some sex with the sex slaves and not only could you get your rocks off, but it was supposed to make your crops grow well too. This activity was called "pornea" by the people of the day. Can't beat that deal! Except for the forced prostitution and the fact that most of these farmers would probably be married and thus cheating on their wives. So when you see people in the Bible telling people not to pornea, they are telling them that paying sex slaves for sex to help your crops grow is wrong. I think most of us would agree with that. They are not saying pre-marital sex is wrong. Also, in your completely irrelevent example, Joseph resisted sex with a governor's wife. Of course sex with a governor's wife is wrong! She's married! That's what we call coveting a neighbors wife. That's one of the 10 God-given commandments. No, there is no reference to two non-married people having free, consentual, sex because they love each other as a bad thing. There are examples of good men having multiple wives, but that's another topic all together. The idea of no sex until marriage is a societal control that became more common in Victorian England (before this almost 40% of first pregnancies were pre-marriage). It has no Bible basis. I commend you for wanting to be a virgan until marriage if that's what makes you happy. It's probably a healthy and safe lifestyle. But don't try to say it's the right thing to do because the Bible says so and that others are doing something wrong. Risking disease or unplanned pregnacy or emotional scars, sure, but they may also enjoy love, happiness and other wonderful things through a pre-marriage sexual relationship. And avoiding sexual relationships could also cause sadness or loneliness, and judging others is definitly wrong. Leave that to God. |
I looked it up. I saw that ponea was used and see where your coming from. But, no fornication is still clearly wrong according to what Jesus and Paul both taught...
(copied and pasted from another of my posts on this thread)
Fornication is clearly implied by both Jesus and Paul the apostle ... and I think Paul is a lot more direct.
Jesus
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Lusting alone is immoral and sexual immorality... fornication, would fall under that. This can also imply, pornography and masterbation... things that will cause or need lust.
Paul
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I.
9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
Paul says it is better to marry... than burn (in lustful passion)... since Godly teaching would teach us to refrain from fornicating. Hence, its possible to "burn."
I'm soooo gonna save these verses.
All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.
I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.
Well i woudn't wait for marriage to have sex, but i also woudn't have sex unless i am in love. I have friends who want to wait for marriage before having sex, and love other then religion has to do a big part with their reasoning.
| sales2099 said: Saving yourself is a dying practice. Sex is a natural impulse and is best done responsibly and with someone you love. Without it, you become more prone to stress and irritability. Done right, it strengthens the bond between the couple. And you will be a 20 something virgin who will most likely suck at your first time. Oh and your virgin wife, will be in great pain and bleed. Happy 1st time. |
From what i've seen it's mostly girls that go for the no sex until marriage. Part of thei reasoning is that they don't want some random guy to take "away" their virginity. I agree with you on how it should be done with someone you love and about it strenghteting bonds, people seem to never think about that.
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