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Yes, yes double standards for sure.
People always laughed at XBox Gold for years, yet when Sony does it no one gives a hoot.
The PSN+ with free games is a good way to dingle the carrot infront of you for sure, I think down the road Sony will give less free games once they get enough subscribers. Only reason MS gave free games was to match the PSN+ offerings.



It's just that simple.

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Talal said:

You're biased too.

I try not to be. Show me where I am and I'll fix it right away.



happydolphin said:
Talal said:

You're biased too.

I try not to be. Show me where I am and I'll fix it right away.


You only focus on the faults that PS fans make. Like they are the only fan base with bad individuals. So many people act biased yet you only confront PS fans about it. 



Talal said:

You only focus on the faults that PS fans make. Like they are the only fan base with bad individuals. So many people act biased yet you only confront PS fans about it. 

That one I'm aware of and am working on it. I can see others being biased too and you're right I don't call them out as much and I should fix that.

Then again, Sony fans have a tendency to wave their banners high and you can't help seeing it. I won't justify it and I'll consider what you just said.



happydolphin said:

It is a major problem to be dealt with, BIAS is a major problem and it's fucking everywhere.

So excuse me if I considered that an important thing to talk about in a thread that basically discusses the one most hated thing Microsoft came up with since it entered the market, and the reactions of fans to the competitions now following their trend.

Hey, just cause I can, I think you should just leave the thread at once. See how you like it.


Regardless of whether it is a major problem on the forums, it was not affecting this thread yet. So there's no reason to bring it up.

It would be like me entering an peaceful Forza thread and saying:

"Even though a few individual users outside of this thread said they hated this mechanic in Gran Turismo, I bet they will love it in Forza because of their bias. I hate double standards"

That's exactly what you're doing and it's one of the most idiotic things I've ever seen on here. Talk about the topic at hand and if someone comes in with double standards, then confront that individual. Don't just prematurely bring up a problem that hasn't even affected the thread yet.

And even if it is a major problem as you say (since it's "everywhere"), then how the hell is condemning "people" going to help solve the problem? No one can read your mind to know who "people" is. If there are a few people causing a problem, then call out the individuals so they can be directly held responsible, rather thhan this mysterious group of "people".



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Jay520 said:

The people talking about double standards should just leave the thread at once. Yes, there are a few individuals who have double standards regarding this topic, but why bring them up? It's completely irrelevant. This thread isn't about double standards, so unless someone is exercising double standards in this very thread, then just leave it out.

If you do feel compelled to call out people for double standards, then at least call out individuals users (with proof) rather than making meaningless, vague statements about "people". Who the hell is "people".

And even when you call out these individuals, it still means nothing. Every group has a few bad individuals. It's not like there's a significant amount of people with double standards. It's not like this is some major problem that needs to be dealt with. The "problem" is insignificant and isn't worth being brought into an otherwise peaceful topic. There's no point to bring it up.

Ok, I get that the double standards have no place here. Np there.

But you can't honestly play the accountable card in this case. There is no need to "prove" anything and dig up old threads. It was a consensus; a general held belief. Now that Sony is changing their policy, the fans don't want to leave over it because they still love Sony and the games they make. So they literally did a 180 on their stance, because that is literally the only option, the other leaving PS gaming all together.

There is no few bad individuals, there is no need to look any proof up. It is not silly at all to group you all together because it was a consensus. I mean what kind of PS gamer "preferred" Live Gold fees to a free PSN pre-E3 2013? In that regard, it is more reasonable to generalize. It is "not a few", and kindly stop spinning that your kinds bad apples are fewer then they seem.

Embrace your cultures good points, but even its bad ones. But then again, you don't adopt the "brothers in arms stance". Apparently PS gamers aren't a collective but just individuals, which is kinda depressing. I like to think that XBox fans are more attached and we are all accoutnable for eachothers actions, right or wrong.



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happydolphin said:
Talal said:

You only focus on the faults that PS fans make. Like they are the only fan base with bad individuals. So many people act biased yet you only confront PS fans about it. 

That one I'm aware of and am working on it. I can see others being biased too and you're right I don't call them out as much and I should fix that.

Then again, Sony fans have a tendency to wave their banners high and you can't help seeing it. I won't justify it and I'll consider what you just said.


I know xD. The internet is so filled with PS fanboys it's starting to annoy me and I'm a PS fan. Still, I think it's pretty unfair how PS fans are always generalized as being the worst. It also makes you look bad.



Jay520 said:


Regardless of whether it is a major problem on the forums, it was not affecting this thread yet. So there's no reason to bring it up.

It would be like me entering an peaceful Forza thread talking about a new mechanic and saying:

"Even though a few users said they hated this mechanic in Gran Turismo, I bet they will love it in Forza because of their bias. I hate double standards"

That's exactly what you're doing and it's one of the most idiotic things I've ever seen on here. Talk about the topic at hand and if someone comes in with double standards, then confront that individual. Don't just prematurely bring up a problem that hasn't even affected the thread yet.

And even if it is a major problem as you say (since it's "everywhere"), then how the hell is condemning "people" going to help solve the problem? No one can read your mind and we have no idea who "people" is. If there are a few people causing a problem, then call out the individuals so they can be directly held responsible, rather thhan this mysterious group of "people".

Okay, number 1, don't call me an idiot or my posts idiotic because I'm going to flame you till kingdom come and get banned for it. So don't bait me.

Next, I was asked for proof and I gave it, you have a tendency not to read through threads so I'll throw you a bone. When Shinobi-San asked, I  gave him 2 people. Carl and Rasha. And guess what, Carl had posted before my post.



sales2099 said:

Ok, I get that the double standards have no place here. Np there.

But you can't honestly play the accountable card in this case. There is no need to "prove" anything and dig up old threads. It was a consensus; a general held belief. Now that Sony is changing their policy, the fans don't want to leave over it because they still love Sony and the games they make. So they literally did a 180 on their stance, because that is literally the only option, the other leaving PS gaming all together.

There is no few bad individuals, there is no need to look any proof up. It is not silly at all to group you all together because it was a consensus. I mean what kind of PS gamer "preferred" Live Gold fees to a free PSN pre-E3 2013? In that regard, it is more reasonable to generalize. It is "not a few", and kindly stop spinning that your kinds bad apples are fewer then they seem.

Embrace your cultures good points, but even its bad ones. 


So this is what you're saying:

"Sony fans tend to have double standards"

Great. Flaming and Generalizations.



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MohammadBadir said:
what's all the commotion about "double standards"? I'm pretty sure a point made by Sonyfans in most of the Sonyfan VS. MSfan arguments was that Sony fans don't have to pay for online multiplayer, but now that they do, they're justifiying the fact that you have to pay for online when they themselves looked down upon MS fans for paying.

So the fact that PSN was and continues to be free for PS3 users wasn't a positive for PS users compared to XBL users? It was they had access to multiplayer on every singe multiplayer game on PS3 it was and continues to be a selling point over XBL that's all it was.

That in no way is hypocritical or somehow "looking down upon" another service. It was free the other wasn't thats just factual.

Now that PS+ is required for PS4 1st party developed multiplayer games (it is not required to play 3rd party titles or F2P games. It is not required to access any of the myriad media streaming or social services. So it remains a better deal than XBLG IMHO as all the same perks from PS+ on PS3 remain for those who choose to sign up for it. Also the fact that it is ONLY for Sony published titles once again gives PS users more choice and options on how they access multiplayer titles.

Just because PS+ (which is still cheaper and offers more than XBL ATM) is now required to play SONY published multiplayer games don't make the mistake of comparing it to XBL or PS users to butthurt Xbox users. 


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Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

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3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

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