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Arius Dion on 26 June 2013
pauluzzzz1981 said:
Arius Dion said:
pauluzzzz1981 said:
Viper1 said:
pauluzzzz1981 said:

What is succes? Total units sold or a great market share? Or maybe the beginning of something great after a demise? I dont know. What i do know is that they paid a high price then with their third party strict business policy. So ironicly speaking, their great ''succes'' was the beginning of the end. And then came the wii.

It was a market, sales and financial success that also single handedly revived a dead industry.

I'd call that a success.

And while their licensing practices are seen as poor today, they were revolutionary in their day and all 3 console makers still use it as the foundation for their licesing model.

You really need to consider the circumstances of the market and industry back then rather than looking at it from today.

Great kickstarter indeed. But there ''good'' decisions then formed there arrogance later on. So no, it wasnt a succes. It was the beginning for someone else his succes. The revival of the industry? Ofcourse. But only in the handheldbussiness they hold there own.


Then I'd assume you believe that there was and has never been a successful home console from any manufacturer; If the NES(!) wasn't a success according to you? 

NES revived a dead home console market, and the Gameboy created the handheld market..Dude you're older than me, how do you not know this?

I know they revived it. But that is not my point. It was good. Thats my opinion. The wii  was a succes, because there idea was great. The idea with the nes wasn't great. Psx idea was great ( cd's ), Ps 2 was great ( dvd ), DS was great ( dual screen ). NES was not great with their third party restrictions. It looked great but it wasnt. It gave them a boost, but not on the long run. It gave them arrogance.

The Wii emulated the NES. 62m in the 80's is not comparable to 62m now with a global market. The NES is the godfather, every console you named would not exist (as we know it) without the NES. Gaming consoles should be about games no? Why is the PSx idea great because of cd's or dvd's? Also, their third party restrictions were put in place in order to keep quality under control and avoid another crash. I understand the perspective of this being a bad thing, but I also see the justification for it at that time.



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

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happydolphin on 26 June 2013
Arius Dion said:

Ok, Wii U's philosophy is mistaken in that they feel the TV is a problem. So They allow off-tv play and so Nintendo feels that this is innovation. It isn't, it is only a convenience. For people that don't care or need such a convenience, what reason is there to get a Wii U? If you don't like to use a big bulky complicated controller (even if it is comfortable) Does that mean the console just isn't for you?

the DS was an evolution of the Gameboy. The Gameboy created a market for handheld gaming. The problem gameboy was solving was taking gaming mobile, where there was no need for a TV, and gaming could be enjoyed any where. Have annoying kids and a long trip to grandma's house? Give billy a GB/DS and have him stfu..ergo (i like this word now) a solution to an actual problem : )

I will admit, DS' second screen was used in gimmicky ways, and many games, especially the ones that moved DS' didn't really require the TS at all. But Why should a home console attempt to mimmick handheld ones?  

If you were a business man, and one of your products had a feature that worked and sold millions of software that made heavy use of the feature, why would you not try to replicate that success in your other products for no valid reason. (the U being a home console doesn't make it a valid reason to say a touch screen is not needed, there is no value to that argument).

@underlined. To play the games, much like one did with the DS.



curl-6 on 26 June 2013
Cold-Flipper said:

curl-6 said: 

  A Toon Zelda would worsen their image in the eyes of non-fans by reinforcing the "kiddy" stereotype.

 

If they are non-fans, why would they buy the system anyway? I agree, the new Zelda shouldn't be a toon artstyle but if it was, I don't think it'd kill the Wii U officially.

 

There are plenty of gamers who played Nintendo as a kid, moved on to other systems, but would revisit it for agame that combines their childhood (Zelda) wirth the values of the systems they've moved on to. (An "epic", less rated-E-for-everyone approach)

It may not kill Wii U, but a light-hearted Toon Zelda as Wii U's main Zelda would be a heavy blow to the system. Many potential sales would go down the toilet.



Arius Dion on 26 June 2013
Cold-Flipper said:
Arius Dion said:

Then I'd assume you believe that there was and has never been a successful home console from any manufacturer; If the NES(!) wasn't a success according to you? 

NES revived a dead home console market, and the Gameboy created the handheld market..Dude you're older than me, how do you not know this?

I don't think you understand their point. They are saying that the NES was a success sales-wise and that it did revive the gaming industry. At the same time, it put a very bad taste in the mouths of 3rd party developers that decided to jump ship as soon as the chance arrived. (PS1)

Nintendo basically killed its relationship with 3rd parties is what the point is. That is true, and from that perspective the NES did negatively effect Nintendo in the long-term.

 

curl-6 said: 

  A Toon Zelda would worsen their image in the eyes of non-fans by reinforcing the "kiddy" stereotype.

 

If they are non-fans, why would they buy the system anyway? I agree, the new Zelda shouldn't be a toon artstyle but if it was, I don't think it'd kill the Wii U officially.

 

To that I say, thirds can kiss ass. Quiet as its kept third parties were responsible for the industry crash, though they were able to push blame on Atari. They also expect console manufacturers to subsidize their risks. They no longer have that kind of power. In fact, if another crash is to come the blame will fall on third parties.



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

Augen on 26 June 2013

Price drop and some big (Mario Kart, Smash Bros., etc.) releases and I could see it manage 50-60 million given it has a 6-7 year life span before successor.



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pauluzzzz1981 on 26 June 2013
Arius Dion said:
pauluzzzz1981 said:
Arius Dion said:
pauluzzzz1981 said:
Viper1 said:
pauluzzzz1981 said:

What is succes? Total units sold or a great market share? Or maybe the beginning of something great after a demise? I dont know. What i do know is that they paid a high price then with their third party strict business policy. So ironicly speaking, their great ''succes'' was the beginning of the end. And then came the wii.

It was a market, sales and financial success that also single handedly revived a dead industry.

I'd call that a success.

And while their licensing practices are seen as poor today, they were revolutionary in their day and all 3 console makers still use it as the foundation for their licesing model.

You really need to consider the circumstances of the market and industry back then rather than looking at it from today.

Great kickstarter indeed. But there ''good'' decisions then formed there arrogance later on. So no, it wasnt a succes. It was the beginning for someone else his succes. The revival of the industry? Ofcourse. But only in the handheldbussiness they hold there own.


Then I'd assume you believe that there was and has never been a successful home console from any manufacturer; If the NES(!) wasn't a success according to you? 

NES revived a dead home console market, and the Gameboy created the handheld market..Dude you're older than me, how do you not know this?

I know they revived it. But that is not my point. It was good. Thats my opinion. The wii  was a succes, because there idea was great. The idea with the nes wasn't great. Psx idea was great ( cd's ), Ps 2 was great ( dvd ), DS was great ( dual screen ). NES was not great with their third party restrictions. It looked great but it wasnt. It gave them a boost, but not on the long run. It gave them arrogance.

The Wii emulated the NES. 62m in the 80's is not comparable to 62m now with a global market. The NES is the godfather, every console you named would not exist (as we know it) without the NES. Gaming consoles should be about games no? Why is the PSx idea great because of cd's or dvd's? Also, their third party restrictions were put in place in order to keep quality under control and avoid another crash. I understand the perspective of this being a bad thing, but I also see the justification for it at that time.

Point taken. We think differently. No problem.



Cold-Flipper on 26 June 2013
curl-6 said:

There are plenty of gamers who played Nintendo as a kid, moved on to other systems, but would revisit it for agame that combines their childhood (Zelda) wirth the values of the systems they've moved on to. (An "epic", less rated-E-for-everyone approach)

It may not kill Wii U, but a light-hearted Toon Zelda as Wii U's main Zelda would be a heavy blow to the system. Many potential sales would go down the toilet.

I agree that Zelda U should have a darker feel to it to attract the core crowed more but would the graphics really be a heavy blow? Yes, if the game sucked, it wouldn't help the system any but if the game was still great, it would still help push systems. 

Either way, I more or less agree with you.



Arius Dion on 26 June 2013
happydolphin said:
Arius Dion said:

Ok, Wii U's philosophy is mistaken in that they feel the TV is a problem. So They allow off-tv play and so Nintendo feels that this is innovation. It isn't, it is only a convenience. For people that don't care or need such a convenience, what reason is there to get a Wii U? If you don't like to use a big bulky complicated controller (even if it is comfortable) Does that mean the console just isn't for you?

the DS was an evolution of the Gameboy. The Gameboy created a market for handheld gaming. The problem gameboy was solving was taking gaming mobile, where there was no need for a TV, and gaming could be enjoyed any where. Have annoying kids and a long trip to grandma's house? Give billy a GB/DS and have him stfu..ergo (i like this word now) a solution to an actual problem : )

I will admit, DS' second screen was used in gimmicky ways, and many games, especially the ones that moved DS' didn't really require the TS at all. But Why should a home console attempt to mimmick handheld ones?  

If you were a business man, and one of your products had a feature that worked and sold millions of software that made heavy use of the feature, why would you not try to replicate that success in your other products for no valid reason. (the U being a console doesn't make it a valid reason to say a touch screen is not needed, there is no value to that argument).

@underlined. To play the games, much like one did with the DS.

If I were a business man, coming off the success in the home console market with the Wii, I would not in turn then emulate my most failed console ever. I would not confuse or try to fuse handheld and home console markets. I would keep them seperate. So I'd have to disagree with your summation on that. 

Yes, games are what sell consoles..But the question then become what games? Gamecube+ games will not. As they did not in the past.

We will just have to agree to disagree on this one Happy. 



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

blublibla on 26 June 2013
Osc89 said:
I can't really think of any reason why it will do better than the Gamecube.

Thanks

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Arius Dion on 26 June 2013
pauluzzzz1981 said:
Arius Dion said:
pauluzzzz1981 said:
Arius Dion said:
pauluzzzz1981 said:
Viper1 said:
pauluzzzz1981 said:

What is succes? Total units sold or a great market share? Or maybe the beginning of something great after a demise? I dont know. What i do know is that they paid a high price then with their third party strict business policy. So ironicly speaking, their great ''succes'' was the beginning of the end. And then came the wii.

It was a market, sales and financial success that also single handedly revived a dead industry.

I'd call that a success.

And while their licensing practices are seen as poor today, they were revolutionary in their day and all 3 console makers still use it as the foundation for their licesing model.

You really need to consider the circumstances of the market and industry back then rather than looking at it from today.

Great kickstarter indeed. But there ''good'' decisions then formed there arrogance later on. So no, it wasnt a succes. It was the beginning for someone else his succes. The revival of the industry? Ofcourse. But only in the handheldbussiness they hold there own.


Then I'd assume you believe that there was and has never been a successful home console from any manufacturer; If the NES(!) wasn't a success according to you? 

NES revived a dead home console market, and the Gameboy created the handheld market..Dude you're older than me, how do you not know this?

I know they revived it. But that is not my point. It was good. Thats my opinion. The wii  was a succes, because there idea was great. The idea with the nes wasn't great. Psx idea was great ( cd's ), Ps 2 was great ( dvd ), DS was great ( dual screen ). NES was not great with their third party restrictions. It looked great but it wasnt. It gave them a boost, but not on the long run. It gave them arrogance.

The Wii emulated the NES. 62m in the 80's is not comparable to 62m now with a global market. The NES is the godfather, every console you named would not exist (as we know it) without the NES. Gaming consoles should be about games no? Why is the PSx idea great because of cd's or dvd's? Also, their third party restrictions were put in place in order to keep quality under control and avoid another crash. I understand the perspective of this being a bad thing, but I also see the justification for it at that time.

Point taken. We think differently. No problem.


Understood, friend.



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.