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Cold-Flipper on 26 June 2013
curl-6 said:

They're halfway there, all they need to do is release the Toon Wii U Zelda gamers don't want, and boom, Gamecube sales.

I don't think Zelda will make or break a system like that. Plus, Windwaker is now well liked. I don't think a toon Zelda would be all that bad. Well, now that WW HD is coming a different artstyle would be better.



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Arius Dion on 26 June 2013
pauluzzzz1981 said:
Viper1 said:
pauluzzzz1981 said:

What is succes? Total units sold or a great market share? Or maybe the beginning of something great after a demise? I dont know. What i do know is that they paid a high price then with their third party strict business policy. So ironicly speaking, their great ''succes'' was the beginning of the end. And then came the wii.

It was a market, sales and financial success that also single handedly revived a dead industry.

I'd call that a success.

And while their licensing practices are seen as poor today, they were revolutionary in their day and all 3 console makers still use it as the foundation for their licesing model.

You really need to consider the circumstances of the market and industry back then rather than looking at it from today.

Great kickstarter indeed. But there ''good'' decisions then formed there arrogance later on. So no, it wasnt a succes. It was the beginning for someone else his succes. The revival of the industry? Ofcourse. But only in the handheldbussiness they hold there own.


Then I'd assume you believe that there was and has never been a successful home console from any manufacturer; If the NES(!) wasn't a success according to you? 

NES revived a dead home console market, and the Gameboy created the handheld market..Dude you're older than me, how do you not know this?



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

Arius Dion on 26 June 2013
happydolphin said:
Arius Dion said:
I think it is quite sad that Nintendo, coming off the heels of a console selling 100m units, is now having a console sell comparable to their biggest console failure (minus the VB).

Gamecube was a pitiful console. It had its gems, but because of its colossal failure, Wii was born. Maybe if the Wii U continues to emulate the Gamecube, the Wii U successor will be amazing. Wii U's problem isn't a lack of marketing or a 'misunderstanding' by consumers to fully grasp the awesomeness of assymetric gameplay. People get it, understand it and are rejecting Nintendo's current direction. As a poster once said, The Wii U and its Gamepad is a solution in search of a problem.Which is in total opposition to what the Wii was.

All of your criticisms about the U's gamepad could be made about the DS.

ergo, it's bullshit.

LoL. No, no it can't. ergo, its not bull shit. The DS was first to market touch screen gaming. The DS was not a solution in search of a problem. 



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

happydolphin on 26 June 2013
Arius Dion said:

LoL. No, no it can't. ergo, its not bull shit. The DS was first to market touch screen gaming. The DS was not a solution in search of a problem.

How is the U gamepad a solution in search of a problem and how exactly is the DS not a solution in search of a problem?



curl-6 on 26 June 2013
Cold-Flipper said:
curl-6 said:

They're halfway there, all they need to do is release the Toon Wii U Zelda gamers don't want, and boom, Gamecube sales.

I don't think Zelda will make or break a system like that. Plus, Windwaker is now well liked. I don't think a toon Zelda would be all that bad. Well, now that WW HD is coming a different artstyle would be better.

There's a huge, huge group of people who want a new HD Zelda in the style of the e3 2011 tech demo or Twilight Princess. And not just among the Nintendo faithful. Many, many gamers who would otherwise not touch the Wii U would buy one for such a game. Those same gamers would scoff at a Toon Zelda.

It's not just about the game, it's about Nintendo's image. Doing Zelda in the TP style would paint Nintendo as being cool/in touch with gamers. A Toon Zelda would worsen their image in the eyes of non-fans by reinforcing the "kiddy" stereotype.



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Arius Dion on 26 June 2013
curl-6 said:
Cold-Flipper said:
When you do the math, the GC sold an average of 83K per week... If you factor in the 5 Holiday season sales it received, that is terrible.

Nintendo would really have to screw up bad in order to pull a GC 2.0.

They're halfway there, all they need to do is release the Toon Wii U Zelda gamers don't want, and boom, Gamecube sales.


 

LoL. Maybe a little more than halfway ; )



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

pauluzzzz1981 on 26 June 2013
Arius Dion said:
pauluzzzz1981 said:
Viper1 said:
pauluzzzz1981 said:

What is succes? Total units sold or a great market share? Or maybe the beginning of something great after a demise? I dont know. What i do know is that they paid a high price then with their third party strict business policy. So ironicly speaking, their great ''succes'' was the beginning of the end. And then came the wii.

It was a market, sales and financial success that also single handedly revived a dead industry.

I'd call that a success.

And while their licensing practices are seen as poor today, they were revolutionary in their day and all 3 console makers still use it as the foundation for their licesing model.

You really need to consider the circumstances of the market and industry back then rather than looking at it from today.

Great kickstarter indeed. But there ''good'' decisions then formed there arrogance later on. So no, it wasnt a succes. It was the beginning for someone else his succes. The revival of the industry? Ofcourse. But only in the handheldbussiness they hold there own.


Then I'd assume you believe that there was and has never been a successful home console from any manufacturer; If the NES(!) wasn't a success according to you? 

NES revived a dead home console market, and the Gameboy created the handheld market..Dude you're older than me, how do you not know this?

I know they revived it. But that is not my point. It was good. Thats my opinion. The wii  was a succes, because there idea was great. The idea with the nes wasn't great. Psx idea was great ( cd's ), Ps 2 was great ( dvd ), DS was great ( dual screen ). NES was not great with their third party restrictions. It looked great but it wasnt. It gave them a boost, but not on the long run. It gave them arrogance.



happydolphin on 26 June 2013

The U is in no trouble of failure, it is employing the same hardware strategy as the DS and a similar software projected strategy as the 3DS. The only thing it needs to fix is its price. That'll come.



Arius Dion on 26 June 2013
happydolphin said:
Arius Dion said:

LoL. No, no it can't. ergo, its not bull shit. The DS was first to market touch screen gaming. The DS was not a solution in search of a problem.

How is the U gamepad a solution in search of a problem and how exactly is the DS not a solution in search of a problem?


Ok, Wii U's philosophy is mistaken in that they feel the TV is a problem. So They allow off-tv play and so Nintendo feels that this is innovation. It isn't, it is only a convenience. For people that don't care or need such a convenience, what reason is there to get a Wii U? If you don't like to use a big bulky complicated controller (even if it is comfortable) Does that mean the console just isn't for you?

the DS was an evolution of the Gameboy. The Gameboy created a market for handheld gaming. The problem gameboy was solving was taking gaming mobile, where there was no need for a TV, and gaming could be enjoyed any where. Have annoying kids and a long trip to grandma's house? Give billy a GB/DS and have him stfu..ergo (i like this word now) a solution to an actual problem : )

I will admit, DS' second screen was used in gimmicky ways, and many games, especially the ones that moved DS' didn't really require the TS at all. But Why should a home console attempt to mimmick handheld ones?  



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

Cold-Flipper on 26 June 2013
Arius Dion said:

Then I'd assume you believe that there was and has never been a successful home console from any manufacturer; If the NES(!) wasn't a success according to you? 

NES revived a dead home console market, and the Gameboy created the handheld market..Dude you're older than me, how do you not know this?

I don't think you understand their point. They are saying that the NES was a success sales-wise and that it did revive the gaming industry. At the same time, it put a very bad taste in the mouths of 3rd party developers that decided to jump ship as soon as the chance arrived. (PS1)

Nintendo basically killed its relationship with 3rd parties is what the point is. That is true, and from that perspective the NES did negatively effect Nintendo in the long-term.

 

curl-6 said: 

  A Toon Zelda would worsen their image in the eyes of non-fans by reinforcing the "kiddy" stereotype.

If they are non-fans, why would they buy the system anyway? I agree, the new Zelda shouldn't be a toon artstyle but if it was, I don't think it'd kill the Wii U officially.