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Zero999 said:
Gamerace said:
DFC Intelligence had some ridiculous projections back at the start of the last gen so I don't give their estimates any credance.

Originally (last spring) I projected WiiU with 30m lifetime sales (and everyone said I was crazy and way too low). Now, that guess is looking way over-optimistic. While I'm sure sales will pick up over the current tripid level, but great games will simply come too late and WiiU started at too high a price point (for what it's offering) for it to ever become in demand. Add an overall shrinking market and greater competition in the field and even hitting 20m seems highly optimistic to me now.

I think Nintendo realizes it's made some fundimentally bad mistakes with WiiU. I think they've known it pre-launch but were too committed to change course. However, the question remains how long do they stay with WiiU? My guess is if sales don't turn around - dramatically - by Mario Kart 8 dropping, WiiU will have the shortest lifespan of any Nintendo console. Fact is the market is changing radically and if Nintendo is to ever have another hit home console or home/portable console it needs to be released sooner rather than later. So if WiiU/3DS continue to underperform I project a new Nintendo system in 2016 to compete more directly with PS4/XB1 and to also more significantly differeniate from them than WiiU does from PS3/360.

Consequently WiiU's lifetime sales will be cut even shorter. Probably <15m.

bolded: no, everyone was right.

b2: so wii u is expensive but other consoles releasing one year later for $100 and $200 more than wii u at launch aren't? ok. your probable response: they offer much more. my logical response: I wouldn't say those consoles are even offering more than ps360 right now.

b3: omg, so 3ds is underperforming? THE MARKET LEADER FOR BOTH HANDHELDS AND HOME CONSOLES IS UNDERPERFORMING? REALLY?

your point of view isn't pessimistic, pessimism would mean you THINK that will happen. but the truth is you WANT the listed things to happen, no arguments, just your will.

I also predicted in 2007 Wii would sell 20m that year and win this generation.  At that time only two people agreed with me and everyone else thought I was nuts.    

I have no hate for Nintendo, nor any slavish love.  I find the industry interesting to watch and call it like I see it.    In 2006 I saw Nintendo was onto something monumental when everyone on sites like these had written Nintendo off completely.    Now I've been saying since E3 2012 that Nintendo's completely missed the boat with WiiU (and so far been proven right).    I am also unimpressed by PS4/XB1.   PS4 will fare better initially but XB1 has more potential.   However, I think the entire market will shrink significantly.     Mobile and systems like Ouya (but not Ouya, Ouya won't do well) and the Steambox and PC with virtual gaming, etc., will both grow the market and shrink the traditional home console market.    None of the big three have done enough (yet) to stave off this drop.

Sony has been the most conservative and aimed directly for the gamers and this will do them well, MS and Nintendo tried to cast bigger nets but Nintendo totally missed that call and judgement is out for MS.   But I suspect MS has more up it's sleeves to be revealed over the coming years.  They have a long term vision which should (should but may not, it is MS afterall) see them rise to the top this gen but still sell less than 360 did.

Of course all of this is my estimated guesses and I haven't always been right, but I've often been right when the mass thinking said exactly the opposite.

b2: PS4 is $50 more and yes I agree.  To many their won't be a signigant reason to upgrade.  The games are basically the same.

b3: 3DS is doing well in Japan.   It's NA and PAL sales leave something to be desired (but aren't horrible, but really, the 8 year old PS3 shouldn't even come close to 3DS sales in what should be it's peak years, yet some weeks it outsells it).  Even Nintendo admits this is so.   This despite Vita being a huge flop basically giving the 3DS the market all to itself.    Leading the market when the market is made up of ancient and failing systems is no cause to rejoice



 

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Arius Dion said:
happydolphin said:
Arius Dion said:
I think it is quite sad that Nintendo, coming off the heels of a console selling 100m units, is now having a console sell comparable to their biggest console failure (minus the VB).

Gamecube was a pitiful console. It had its gems, but because of its colossal failure, Wii was born. Maybe if the Wii U continues to emulate the Gamecube, the Wii U successor will be amazing. Wii U's problem isn't a lack of marketing or a 'misunderstanding' by consumers to fully grasp the awesomeness of assymetric gameplay. People get it, understand it and are rejecting Nintendo's current direction. As a poster once said, The Wii U and its Gamepad is a solution in search of a problem.Which is in total opposition to what the Wii was.

All of your criticisms about the U's gamepad could be made about the DS.

ergo, it's bullshit.

LoL. No, no it can't. ergo, its not bull shit. The DS was first to market touch screen gaming. The DS was not a solution in search of a problem. 


I think you're dead on with your analysis. The DS preceeded the Wii and iPhone in being the first real mass market device that centered around using the interface to make electronics more accessible to the average person via the touchscreen, which has revolutionized home electronics since with smartphones and tablets subsequently.

The DS you could also see a shift in software early on too, Nintendogs and Electroplankton and things like that showed the direction that Nintendo was going in pretty much from its first E3 showing, because games like that fit into the new paradigm Nintendo had come up with. 

The Wii U ... this is its third E3, and Nintendo's most notable games barely use the Wii U controller in any kind of substantial way.



Zero999 said:

the only information we have is that wii u is not selling because it doesn't have big system seller games and that those are coming starting in the next few months.


Actually, they have 2 issues: Games and Communications.

Games are coming but they need to pair that up with better communications/marketing to be truly effective.   Right now, they are not marketing and communicating very effectively and the sales are showing it.



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zorg1000 said:
Osc89 said:
zorg1000 said:
But look at the number of high quality 1st/3rd party exclusives each console had at this point.

Wii U-NSMBU, Nintendo Land, ZombiU, Lego City

Gamecube-Luigi's Mansion, Wave Race, Smash Bros, Rogue Squadron, Super Monkey Ball, Resident Evil, Pikmin, Mario Sunshine(might be wrong on this one)

Also GC was $200 compared to XB/PS2 at $300, Wii U is $300-350 compared to PS360 at $200-300.

Once Wii U big exclusives come out and its no longer the most expensive, it will sell much better than it currently is.


But if these games didn't make the Gamecube a great seller why will they make the Wii U better than Gamecube? Obviously more games means it will sell better, but why assume it will sell better than Gamecube?

Also out of all the games they both had by this point, NSMBU is from the best selling series by far. The only thing bigger Nintendo has is Mario Kart, and Gamecube didn't get that for a while.

My last post wasnt disputing lifetime sales, I was talking about sales thru there first 8 months because u brought up Wii U currently selling worse than Gamecube.

But to answer ur question about why GC didnt sell well overall, ive got a few ideas why

1. PS2 was an unstoppable juggernaut. I dont see any console this gen being able to replicate that success.

2. Nintendo got funky with its established ip's. Mario went on vacation, Zelda was too cartoony, Fox left the cockpit, DK started playing the bongos and Kirby became a racer. Sunshine had a spin off vibe to it while 3D World Is an accessible, co-op traditional Mario that may seem like the true sequel to NSMB. Wind Waker has actually gotten more well recieved compared to when it originally launched. Donkey Kong on GC was all rythem/music based while Tropical Freeze is a traditional sequel. We dont know about Star Fox/Kriby yet but im positive they will be traditional sequels if they do release on Wii U.

3. Xbox stole the shooter crowd with Halo. Before that it was on N64 with GoldenEye/Perfect Dark/Turok.

Also ur right NSMB is bigger than any of the series i listed in the last post but its the only title on Wii U that could be considered a system seller but its not going to push massive amounts of consloes at $350 without other 1st party titles to support it. Every previos NSMB game released when the console was $200 or less and had an established library to support it.

Nintendo and its games are more popular now than 10 years ago thanks to Wii vastly expanding its audience. Overall I dont see Wii U matching Wii numbers by a long shot or even getting first this gen but it should comfortably sell better than GC.


"I gave u legit reasons why Wii U is currently selling less than GC last night and instead of coming up with any counter, u go and ask other the people the same thing? Do u have any reason to believe lifetime sales will be less than GC other than, because it currently is?"

Sorry I didn't see the above post. I thought it was only Zero that quoted me (as the thread got a load bigger so I didn't check the whole thing). And I didn't go around asking anything, I was only replying to people.

As for your points:

1) We don't know what impact the PS4 & XB1 will have, but it isn't unlikely that combined they will have a similar effect on Wii U sales. It could even be worse, given that PS360 sales are continuing and the Wii U is also positioned against them.

2) Could well help, can't really say. I'm not sure these differences are that big to people who aren't core Nintendo fans who get the console anyway. And hasn't the reaction to these games been "Why isn't it a Mario Universe?" and "Why isn't it a Metroid?". I personally thought a Galaxy successor would be what is most wanted and would sell the best.

3) True, but this crowd isn't likely to come back anyway so is a loss to both consoles.

 

Yes, the main reason why lifetime sales look to be lower than GC is that every month so far it has been. It is the only solid evidence we have, as the rest is speculation. Also there are big advantages that the Wii U had over GC (like NSMB and a year head start) that didn't help, so why are people so sure the others will? This means the assumption right now should be that it will sell less.



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Viper1 said:
Zero999 said:

the only information we have is that wii u is not selling because it doesn't have big system seller games and that those are coming starting in the next few months.


Actually, they have 2 issues: Games and Communications.

Games are coming but they need to pair that up with better communications/marketing to be truly effective.   Right now, they are not marketing and communicating very effectively and the sales are showing it.

i think the best buy demos of E3 were a great idea to show the general public that wii u is there.



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Gamerace said:
Zero999 said:

bolded: no, everyone was right.

b2: so wii u is expensive but other consoles releasing one year later for $100 and $200 more than wii u at launch aren't? ok. your probable response: they offer much more. my logical response: I wouldn't say those consoles are even offering more than ps360 right now.

b3: omg, so 3ds is underperforming? THE MARKET LEADER FOR BOTH HANDHELDS AND HOME CONSOLES IS UNDERPERFORMING? REALLY?

your point of view isn't pessimistic, pessimism would mean you THINK that will happen. but the truth is you WANT the listed things to happen, no arguments, just your will.

I also predicted in 2007 Wii would sell 20m that year and win this generation.  At that time only two people agreed with me and everyone else thought I was nuts.    

I have no hate for Nintendo, nor any slavish love.  I find the industry interesting to watch and call it like I see it.    In 2006 I saw Nintendo was onto something monumental when everyone on sites like these had written Nintendo off completely.    Now I've been saying since E3 2012 that Nintendo's completely missed the boat with WiiU (and so far been proven right).    I am also unimpressed by PS4/XB1.   PS4 will fare better initially but XB1 has more potential.   However, I think the entire market will shrink significantly.     Mobile and systems like Ouya (but not Ouya, Ouya won't do well) and the Steambox and PC with virtual gaming, etc., will both grow the market and shrink the traditional home console market.    None of the big three have done enough (yet) to stave off this drop.

Sony has been the most conservative and aimed directly for the gamers and this will do them well, MS and Nintendo tried to cast bigger nets but Nintendo totally missed that call and judgement is out for MS.   But I suspect MS has more up it's sleeves to be revealed over the coming years.  They have a long term vision which should (should but may not, it is MS afterall) see them rise to the top this gen but still sell less than 360 did.

Of course all of this is my estimated guesses and I haven't always been right, but I've often been right when the mass thinking said exactly the opposite.

b2: PS4 is $50 more and yes I agree.  To many their won't be a signigant reason to upgrade.  The games are basically the same.

b3: 3DS is doing well in Japan.   It's NA and PAL sales leave something to be desired (but aren't horrible, but really, the 8 year old PS3 shouldn't even come close to 3DS sales in what should be it's peak years, yet some weeks it outsells it).  Even Nintendo admits this is so.   This despite Vita being a huge flop basically giving the 3DS the market all to itself.    Leading the market when the market is made up of ancient and failing systems is no cause to rejoice

nintendo aims at gamers just like all others, if not more. and ps4 is $100 more expensive than wii u.



Zero999 said:
Viper1 said:
Zero999 said:

the only information we have is that wii u is not selling because it doesn't have big system seller games and that those are coming starting in the next few months.


Actually, they have 2 issues: Games and Communications.

Games are coming but they need to pair that up with better communications/marketing to be truly effective.   Right now, they are not marketing and communicating very effectively and the sales are showing it.

i think the best buy demos of E3 were a great idea to show the general public that wii u is there.

That was indeed a massive step in the right direction.  Sadly it was only 2 days and at very few Best Buys.   This needs to be greatly expanded upon.  



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curl-6 said:
DietSoap said:

It didn't really matter, it sold quite a bit faster in all 3 regions aligned for official life, and price advantage would've been a serious problem for the Gamecube the entire gen.

Dreamcast wouldn't have lasted the distance though. The 6th gen market left so little room for competition already, there was no room for Dreamcast to stick around and do better-than-Gamecube numbers.

The momentum it had, though, would have meant that it would have either been GameCube or Xbox forced into irrelevance.

I agree that the ecosystem really can't support more than three systems, but it's easy to forget that Dreamcast died out at 50% of what the Xbox and GameCube each achieved by the end of their time.



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Viper1 said:
Zero999 said:
Viper1 said:
Zero999 said:

the only information we have is that wii u is not selling because it doesn't have big system seller games and that those are coming starting in the next few months.


Actually, they have 2 issues: Games and Communications.

Games are coming but they need to pair that up with better communications/marketing to be truly effective.   Right now, they are not marketing and communicating very effectively and the sales are showing it.

i think the best buy demos of E3 were a great idea to show the general public that wii u is there.

That was indeed a massive step in the right direction.  Sadly it was only 2 days and at very few Best Buys.   This needs to be greatly expanded upon.  

Ya I dont get why those couldnt be permanent demos at all best buys. But hopefully this was just a test and will see more of this strategy Iin the future.



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WiiU will sell better than Gamecube.

would that be somthing hard to do?



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