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mutantclown on 18 June 2013

This didn't quash anything, it made it a bit worse actually.



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mutantclown on 18 June 2013
ironmanDX said:
Soleron said:
slowmo said:
JerCotter7 said:
slowmo said:
You're not going to find out the actual GPU specs so you may as well stop whining and move on. The important part is that they haven't downgraded their design as was rumoured, rejoice and be happy in the positive aspect of the news and stop trying to nit pick with your negativity guys.


Of course it hasn't been downclocked. It was never revealed so even if it turns out to be less than half the rumour, it will never be downclocked.


Or it could be the rumour was complete bullshit spread by a Sony fanboy as any reasonable person might conclude.

The poor yields rumour is from the guy who FIRST told us that the PS4 and Xbox One would be AMD CPU+GPU. I think we trust him?


Most games at E3 were running on Xbox ONE's. They wouldn't risk failing infront of the gaming world like that. We haven't heard anything new either since E3.


Doesn't this sound familiar now? Xbox risking failure for doing something every single fan and their mother thought beyond stupid....hmmmm. Nope, can't remember right now.



ironmanDX on 18 June 2013
mutantclown said:
ironmanDX said:


Most games at E3 were running on Xbox ONE's. They wouldn't risk failing infront of the gaming world like that. We haven't heard anything new either since E3.


Doesn't this sound familiar now? Xbox risking failure for doing something every single fan and their mother thought beyond stupid....hmmmm. Nope, can't remember right now.


I don't think it's stupid, there goes your theory... Also,

This didn't quash anything, it made it a bit worse actually.

Only if you didn't read it...



curl-6 on 18 June 2013
ironmanDX said:
Soleron said:
slowmo said:
JerCotter7 said:
slowmo said:
You're not going to find out the actual GPU specs so you may as well stop whining and move on. The important part is that they haven't downgraded their design as was rumoured, rejoice and be happy in the positive aspect of the news and stop trying to nit pick with your negativity guys.


Of course it hasn't been downclocked. It was never revealed so even if it turns out to be less than half the rumour, it will never be downclocked.


Or it could be the rumour was complete bullshit spread by a Sony fanboy as any reasonable person might conclude.

The poor yields rumour is from the guy who FIRST told us that the PS4 and Xbox One would be AMD CPU+GPU. I think we trust him?


Most games at E3 were running on Xbox ONE's. They wouldn't risk failing infront of the gaming world like that. We haven't heard anything new either since E3.

Why not? The big 3 all do this on a regular basis.



Dark_Feanor on 18 June 2013

3 folds = 2x2x2 = 8x

Moores Laws -> 2x every 1,5 year.

(8 years)/1,5 = 5.333

Equi power -> 2exp(5.33) = 32x

So, the raw power should have been 32 times!!!

However Moore´s Law is slowing down.



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Soleron on 18 June 2013
ironmanDX said:
Soleron said:
slowmo said:
JerCotter7 said:
slowmo said:
You're not going to find out the actual GPU specs so you may as well stop whining and move on. The important part is that they haven't downgraded their design as was rumoured, rejoice and be happy in the positive aspect of the news and stop trying to nit pick with your negativity guys.


Of course it hasn't been downclocked. It was never revealed so even if it turns out to be less than half the rumour, it will never be downclocked.


Or it could be the rumour was complete bullshit spread by a Sony fanboy as any reasonable person might conclude.

The poor yields rumour is from the guy who FIRST told us that the PS4 and Xbox One would be AMD CPU+GPU. I think we trust him?


Most games at E3 were running on Xbox ONE's. They wouldn't risk failing infront of the gaming world like that. We haven't heard anything new either since E3.

Huh?

Poor yields =/= failing consoles. It just means that each chip is more expensive than planned and they have less of them than they thought OR not enough that perform as they want.



Soleron on 18 June 2013
Dark_Feanor said:
3 folds = 2x2x2 = 8x

Moores Laws -> 2x every 1,5 year.

(8 years)/1,5 = 5.333

Equi power -> 2exp(5.33) = 32x

So, the raw power should have been 32 times!!!

However Moore´s Law is slowing down.

90nm, 65nm, 45nm, 28nm [32nm-class]

=2^4 = 16x the transistor count expected. Actual is less because they want to keep power and die size down, and because logic scales poorer than that.

20nm for consoles is 2015, 14nm is 2018++



Mistershine on 18 June 2013
Soleron said:
ironmanDX said:
Soleron said:
slowmo said:
JerCotter7 said:
slowmo said:
You're not going to find out the actual GPU specs so you may as well stop whining and move on. The important part is that they haven't downgraded their design as was rumoured, rejoice and be happy in the positive aspect of the news and stop trying to nit pick with your negativity guys.


Of course it hasn't been downclocked. It was never revealed so even if it turns out to be less than half the rumour, it will never be downclocked.


Or it could be the rumour was complete bullshit spread by a Sony fanboy as any reasonable person might conclude.

The poor yields rumour is from the guy who FIRST told us that the PS4 and Xbox One would be AMD CPU+GPU. I think we trust him?


Most games at E3 were running on Xbox ONE's. They wouldn't risk failing infront of the gaming world like that. We haven't heard anything new either since E3.

Huh?

Poor yields =/= failing consoles. It just means that each chip is more expensive than planned and they have less of them than they thought OR not enough that perform as they want.

Don't the costs from the poor yields fall on Glo-Fo/IBM in this deal? Less chips is a worry but it shouldn't cost MS any money through wasted silicon.



Darth Tigris on 18 June 2013
Soleron said:
slowmo said:
JerCotter7 said:
slowmo said:
You're not going to find out the actual GPU specs so you may as well stop whining and move on. The important part is that they haven't downgraded their design as was rumoured, rejoice and be happy in the positive aspect of the news and stop trying to nit pick with your negativity guys.


Of course it hasn't been downclocked. It was never revealed so even if it turns out to be less than half the rumour, it will never be downclocked.


Or it could be the rumour was complete bullshit spread by a Sony fanboy as any reasonable person might conclude.

The poor yields rumour is from the guy who FIRST told us that the PS4 and Xbox One would be AMD CPU+GPU. I think we trust him?

Even a broken clock is right twice a day ...



slowmo on 18 June 2013
Soleron said:
slowmo said:
JerCotter7 said:
 


Of course it hasn't been downclocked. It was never revealed so even if it turns out to be less than half the rumour, it will never be downclocked.


Or it could be the rumour was complete bullshit spread by a Sony fanboy as any reasonable person might conclude.

The poor yields rumour is from the guy who FIRST told us that the PS4 and Xbox One would be AMD CPU+GPU. I think we trust him?

Is that the same guy whose 100% correct record has gone spiralling this last month?  Not exactly bet your house on it reliable anymore.

I'm pretty sure he never started the rumour about the downclock though anyway.