ACIII and Batman: AC sold around 150k(vgchartz data). But I bet that they (atleast WB and ubisoft) will keep supporting the Wii U even if those games dont break a milion each(at least with ports).

who said that? o,o

ACIV > 200k

Watch_Dogs > 80k

Blacklist > 100k

Batman > 100k

I have higher hopes for Batman and Watch_Dogs, lower for Blacklist and around the same for ACIV. What about Rayman?

400k WW. Will do fine in Europe.

Just me. And I'm clearly delusional. I just expect the latter 2013 games for the Wii U to have good starts and healthy legs for the next couple of years.

At present I'm predicting:
- 200k for AC4
- 200k for Batman
- 80k for Splinter Cell
- 200k for Watch Dogs
- 600k for Rayman

ubi spoke recently (can't remember where i read it) that porting to the wii u was very cheap. I'm sure the wii u will still get port of current gen games

It seems to me that Nintendo's problem at the moment is that they are too much pro-player. Let me explain.

Both the XBone and the PS4 are going to move to a model where games are rented to consumers, effectively killing the used game market. (Think PS4 won't follow this model? Sony already admitted that they will leave this option open to the publishers, and the publishers *WILL* make use of it).

From a publisher's point of view, this means that XBone and PS4 will earn more revenue. The Wii U is a risk to them, because the second hand market will reduce their revenue.

So even if a miracle occurs and the adoption rate of the Wii U suddenly sky rockets, and even if their titles sell well on the Wii U, the game publishers will still release games to the Wii U later than to the Sony/MS platforms. This is because they want to cash in on the initial hype of a new release, and want to maximize the revenues earned on the rental market. They essentially want any cross-console owner to buy the game on their Sony/MS console *first*, and then allow exclusive Nintendo owners to buy it once the hype dies down.

While Nintendo put the concerns of the players above those of the publishers, the publishers will treat them (and we Nintendo owners) as second class citizens. For me, this is a sad state of affairs, that the concerns of publishers are driving the way we own and play games.

^ If PS4 does end up with the same DRM crap as the X1, my plans to buy one will be immediately cancelled, and I'll go Wii U exclusive for the 8th gen.

I'll get Watch Dogs and Rayman this year for Wii U and would expect both games to end up in the ~200k WW area. It would be interesting to know the sales targets Ubi has for these games.