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Luiskpx said:

I did, like i said it doenst change anything,  the result is the same, also by your definition piracy is not bad  either? so i can buy a game and i have the rights to put it online because i bought it? can i hack a console and cheat online because i bought it? 

The first-sale doctrine creates a basic exception to the copyright holder's distribution right. Once the work is lawfully sold or even transferred gratuitously, the copyright owner's interest in the material object in which the copyrighted work is embodied is exhausted. The owner of the material object can then dispose of it as he sees fit. Thus, one who buys a copy of a book is entitled to resell it, rent it, give it away, or destroy it. However, the owner of the copy of the book will not be able to make new copies of the book because the first-sale doctrine does not limit copyright owner's reproduction right.

By putting the digital content online where it's free for others to download, you're creating duplicate copies.  That one work is being reproduced by however many people copy it.  This means you're illegally distributing the product.  You're basically a thief, whether you are the one who is giving the item away or whether you're downloading it. 



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Why should a gamer pay $100 more for a console that is technically inferior specwise, unless they love the exclusive content on the more expensive console?



Zizzla_Rachet said:
Wii_R2_Hardcore said:
kowenicki said:
 


Fine... but you have to accept that the outcome for the developer, publisher and all the employees of the company are the same.

The person buying that used game has contributed just as much as a pirate to their business.... zero.

Thats not a right or wrong argument, thats just a fact.


WROOOONG! When people sell their cars what do they do with the money (yeah whatever they want) but usually they buy another car. 

When you are selling YOUR PROPERTY (your game) you BUY MORE GAMES! That is what keeps the industry healthy, because games have resell value. Microsoft is going to destroy the value of games and they will become like AN OLD newspaper, or toilet paper, products with just one user.


"When people sell their cars what do they do with the money (yeah whatever they want) but usually they buy another car. "

 

You can't compare selling a used car to a used game...when you buy a used car you have to report it sold and also you have to go to the DMV and turn in your plates.... as the person buying  the car there are a number of things you have to do as well and things you have to pay for...

Buying used game like Kowen said contributes nothing to the developer...Xbox One is making it fair for a profesional buisness to thrive..people cliaming that they want disc based games with no DRM to sell and trade games are looking for a personal buissness...Times have changed...be ready to deal with the same thing as last gen..games coming first to XBOX One...Becuase you better beleive that the HardCore Xbox Live user base will be getting an Xbox one and that's all the buisness MS is going for..Would it be to much is Gamestop and gamefly game a percent of the profits to developers?....

YES! And we should ban the sale of used BOARDGAME sales also (I do boardgame design so I fully support this!).  You know the game designers don't get a cent of that.  So we can have the police go around to garage sales and ban used chess sets people try to sale.

Or, heck, maybe game developers can make REAL games, and stop trying to create interactive fiction as some sort of game, and push X hours of gameplay as something real.

This being said, Gamestops of the world are a problem with this and their shoving used game sales down the throats of customers at the expense of new games they have in stock.



richardhutnik said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Wii_R2_Hardcore said:
kowenicki said:
 


Fine... but you have to accept that the outcome for the developer, publisher and all the employees of the company are the same.

The person buying that used game has contributed just as much as a pirate to their business.... zero.

Thats not a right or wrong argument, thats just a fact.


WROOOONG! When people sell their cars what do they do with the money (yeah whatever they want) but usually they buy another car. 

When you are selling YOUR PROPERTY (your game) you BUY MORE GAMES! That is what keeps the industry healthy, because games have resell value. Microsoft is going to destroy the value of games and they will become like AN OLD newspaper, or toilet paper, products with just one user.


"When people sell their cars what do they do with the money (yeah whatever they want) but usually they buy another car. "

 

You can't compare selling a used car to a used game...when you buy a used car you have to report it sold and also you have to go to the DMV and turn in your plates.... as the person buying  the car there are a number of things you have to do as well and things you have to pay for...

Buying used game like Kowen said contributes nothing to the developer...Xbox One is making it fair for a profesional buisness to thrive..people cliaming that they want disc based games with no DRM to sell and trade games are looking for a personal buissness...Times have changed...be ready to deal with the same thing as last gen..games coming first to XBOX One...Becuase you better beleive that the HardCore Xbox Live user base will be getting an Xbox one and that's all the buisness MS is going for..Would it be to much is Gamestop and gamefly game a percent of the profits to developers?....

YES! And we should ban the sale of used BOARDGAME sales also (I do boardgame design so I fully support this!).  You know the game designers don't get a cent of that.  So we can have the police go around to garage sales and ban used chess sets people try to sale.

Or, heck, maybe game developers can make REAL games, and stop trying to create interactive fiction as some sort of game, and push X hours of gameplay as something real.

This being said, Gamestops of the world are a problem with this and their shoving used game sales down the throats of customers at the expense of new games they have in stock.

Let me ask you...Is the new monolopy less fun since the banking is electronic?



 



They are taking games away from you. You think you are buying something, but now you are not. They are in fact renting the games to you but charging you full price as if you were acquiring some property, which is not the case.

It is happening. You can resell your XBOX360, but will the digital content carry on to the XBone? No. Those were never your games to begin with.

This is my problem with this conspiracy against consumers property. It is a scam. It is deceptive. When I buy stuff I KNOW I can resell later, I hesitate less. But knowing that I will be stuck with something (that maybe I end up not liking) for the rest of my life, well, maybe I just won't buy it in the first place.

Games cannot be compared with cars, I can agree with that. But Videogames have more value than other types of products such as books, DVD movies or CD's music. After some time you can still get some money out of selling YOUR content.

I am afraid games will become either worthless, like a magazine, or super expensive. I don't like the idea of games turning into something more like a cable subscription (hell, at least you can still record your favorite TV shows).

So if they told me that games are no longer going to be sold and instead they are going to rent it to me ONLY FOR THE 20% OF THE full purshase price, well that would be another story. But they are changing the reality of the business and calling it the same way. Buying and renting are different business.

When people talk about Valve, for instance, in spite of them keeping the buying and selling language, all I can think is "it is just an overpriced rental service". You have no control over your property (it is not property) they do, they control the content, because is theirs, not yours. Very different from buying a physical book, or a movie, or a CD.

George Orwell was right, the year (1984) was wrong





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Zizzla_Rachet said:

Let me ask you...Is the new monolopy less fun since the banking is electronic?

The way I do boardgaming is NOT Monopoly.  Go to Boardgamegeek.com to see what I usually get into.  GamesByRich.com is aso my profile.  I would give you a hipster/indie response to Monopoly actually.  I thinkk it has been years since I tried Monopoly and believe the LEAST of the issues of Monopoly is the banking involved.  I could go into how people do NOT play it right, and the boring state of roll and move on a track being used to simulate real estate.  

I will post this Scott Nicholson video on Monopoly and alternatives:



richardhutnik said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:

Let me ask you...Is the new monolopy less fun since the banking is electronic?

The way I do boardgaming is NOT Monopoly.  Go to Boardgamegeek.com to see what I usually get into.  GamesByRich.com is aso my profile.  I would give you a hipster/indie response to Monopoly actually.  I thinkk it has been years since I tried Monopoly and believe the LEAST of the issues of Monopoly is the banking involved.  I could go into how people do NOT play it right, and the boring state of roll and move on a track being used to simulate real estate.  

I will post this Scott Nicholson video on Monopoly and alternatives:

instead of answering my question you started to talk about your personal life...



 



As I've always maintained, its not used games that are the problem, but the used game industry.



mii-gamer said:
binary solo said:

You completely misunderstand this thread. I'm telling people they should act on principle. If their principles are that used game trading is bad then they should be supporting Microsoft and Xbone. I'm totally serious. Sony fans who think the used game market is bad should be buying Xbone.

In the interests of full disclosure I've stated my principles.

People should make decisions based on principle, the stronger the support of that principle the more firm and obvious the decision should be. I am strongly in favour of an open used games market, even though I mostly buy games new. Thus on principle I oppose what MS is doing. I don't oppose MS because they are MS, or because they are not Sony or because they competing with Sony. People who are strongly in favour of shutting down used game trading should be buying the console that most closely aligns with their principles. I happen to think their principles are based on false premises, but if they are their principles then they should be guided by them and meaningfully back up companies that are aligned with their principles.

Sony and Nintendo fans should seriously consider their views on this matter, and if they find their views in alignment with Microsoft then they should be buying Xbone.

How is my advocating that some Sony and Nintendo fans should by Xbone poisonous anti MS hate? I really do mean it. They should be buying Xbone. If they are only buying PS4 because of Killzone, or Knack,. or exclusive Batman costumes then they are woefully misguided.

You get that I am basically criticisng a segment of the Sony and Nintendo fan base right?

i thought your op was sarcastic. Man, i need to stop visiting vgchartz for a few days

You're being polite, I just thought it was dumb



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Wii_R2_Hardcore said:


It is happening. You can resell your XBOX360, but will the digital content carry on to the XBone? No. Those were never your games to begin with.




Jesus, you write too much, it made me dizzy lol. @bolded you cant play digital nor physical ps3 games on ps4, unless you buy them again using gaikai. So MS is not the only devil?