$100 is a lot, maybe if it was $50. MS are going to have to market the shit out of this box!

Well I will say this.. in a way I think E3 just helped Nintendo.. after all they are going to be getting games that matter in time.. or most likely shortly after the holidays.. all of a sudden that price point their at now.. won't matter so much.. I think the PS4 and the Xbox one will do fine at first.. I think however Microsoft will wait and see how the PS4 is doing.. and if they start really handing their butts to them.. early on.. (6 months or less) I think the price cut will come.. but I also believe no matter what they do.. their policy on DRM.. is going to kill them.. a lot of people were complaining already about PC DRM.. and XBox One just made it that much worse.. so I think in the end.. PS4 most likely wins.. the Wii U comes out second.. and the TV and all that stuff is not going to matter for MS.. They finish in third... at this point they can have all the killer apps they want until they change the DRM and their attitude.. they will always be the third choice.

I dont know much about this stuff, but the "off the shelf" parts should enable them to cut the price sooner than they could with the 360 without taking too many losses, right?

Either way, I'm giving the 1st year to Sony. Their pricing is just too competitive.

 "In the loop about plans"? Does that mean fire an employee about Twitter posts then not talk to the press at E3?

By what metrics is fanaticism measured? 

I dunno, lets figure it out together.......

Memory

Xb1- uses ddr3, which is on its way out as a standard

PS4- uses DDR5 which is what will be used most often in the future

So over the long term, the Ps4 wins

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RROD-

Xb1- is rumored to have it, and MSFT has a history of engineering failures with its console

PS4- wont have RROD

which would you think increases costs?

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paying for online play

Xb1- MSFT has always had XBL gold

PS4- now sony has PS+ monthly fee for online

only change here is that Sony incorporates a monthly cost, which should help with the up-front cost that you are referring to

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Die Shrinks

-PS4 usually has them first, nuff said

The PS4 is going to murder the Xbox unless Sony does something stupid.

There is no concrete evidence supporting rrod, and correct me if I am wrong, but the original Xbox had no such technical faults. The ps3 also had ylod, albeit in considerably smaller numbers, the older models died out. If anything to learn from this is that the manufacturers have hopefully learned their mistakes, seeing as ms didn't rush xb1 out of the gate last year to secure a lead, it is likely that they have completed a full analysis of any potential technical faults that may arise with the console.
The denial of rrod existence initially may have hurt ms reputation, but the measures they have provided afterwards have proved to the consumer that they will attempt to fix the fucking fault.. Eventually. The DRM stuff and the initial launch price are biggest concerns, and adding the kinect box which is probably relatively cheap to manufacture in an attempt to add value to the launch, most likely deluxe bundle is a bit lame-ish but understandable. As stated previously, the box will sell out for the first year regardless, its the summer draught that will take a heavy toll unless there is a price drop or some significant changes which could spur the late adapters.

Also the claim that ms fanboys are the most fanatical is laughable at best, only have to look at this forum and probably many other online gaming forums to gain a glimpse of the full picture, its not Apple, but they're behaving like it, which will hopefully backfire, but I wouldn't be too hopeful.

To clarify, the post above in regards to rrod was in terms of Xbox one already having one supposedly, which i saw a mention of in a post few posts above. I can't quote on this shitty windows phone(oh the irony)

it's a signficant difference, and the fact the ps4 is gamer friendly when it comes to used games, and lending your games, makes it a no brainer for consumer purchase, or it should make it a no brainer