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DanneSandin on 11 June 2013
happydolphin said:
DanneSandin said:

Why? I hold Nintendo higher than any other developer, because they always brings the good stuff.

But what if this is THE 3D Mario od this gen?! Remember, they're busy with making a new engine, developing the game and developing it for HD. I don't think they have the time to make another game between Galaxy2 and the next home console Mario... This might be it.

Dear god...

No, just no. It makes absolutely no sense at all. They have a lot of resources dedicated to the upcoming successor to galaxy, not enough to fit in what we saw with 3DW, much much more......

You don't hold Nintendo up to higher standards, you hold them up to standards which make absolutely no sense with their pedigree and that's my gripe here. Your expectations make no sense with Nintendo's supply of Mario, Metroid and Zelda for most of its history. The games will come out, just not yet. It's a new HD era for Nintendo, it may take a bit more time than for Wii, but not so much more than for the cube (WW, SS all came out later).

How can you know that theyre working on a sequel to Galaxy (not that it'll be called Galaxy3)!?

I am expecting ONE new entry to each of Nintendo Big Franchises. ONE 3D Mario, ONE Zelda, ONE Metroid. But I'm also expecting them to bring something NEW - something we haven't seen in the series before. Do you understand my worries then? I'm expecting ONE 3D Mario, and as of right now that's 3DWorld - which is NOT bringing any new ideas...



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F0X on 11 June 2013
DanneSandin said:
F0X said:
I don't think you can determine which path 3D Mario should take until after we see sales figures for 3D World. If it passes Galaxy 2 like 3D Land did, then this is a step forward.

I can already play this game - on 3DS! That's the problem. I really do hope thet 3dLand/World becomes a new spin off - but it's not a "proper" 3D Mario like Galaxy or 64.


Truth be told, it seems as if this was envisioned as part of the same sub-set as 3D Land to begin with. Like how Galaxy 1-2 is a sub-set. And NSMB is a sub-set.

Which means it'll probably end at some point. I don't see EAD Tokyo pushing further after they play the multiplayer card... they seem to be focused on delivering upon ideas that couldn't be done in 3D Land (since it's a handheld title), similar to how Galaxy 2 existed because of the many leftover concepts from Galaxy 1.



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Arius Dion on 11 June 2013

They have a serious internal fundamental problem in how they approach game design, and this is becoming more apparent as tech increases. They attempt to create a gameplay gimmick and shoe horn it into a popular franchise for leverage. That's how you get a backpack in Sunshine, choo choos in Zelda, and so on. They don't create any fresh content any more. Or new worlds. And I'm not talking IP's..Mario Bros 3 was explained by Miyamoto as an "exploration of the Mushroom Kingdom" We want new worlds from Nintendo, not (meow) Pussy-cat suits, especially in a Mario game.



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happydolphin on 11 June 2013
DanneSandin said:

How can you know that theyre working on a sequel to Galaxy (not that it'll be called Galaxy3)!?

I am expecting ONE new entry to each of Nintendo Big Franchises. ONE 3D Mario, ONE Zelda, ONE Metroid. But I'm also expecting them to bring something NEW - something we haven't seen in the series before. Do you understand my worries then? I'm expecting ONE 3D Mario, and as of right now that's 3DWorld - which is NOT bringing any new ideas...

@ONE Zelda: 4 Swords, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess.

@ONE Metroid: Prime, Other M

@ONE 3D Mario: 3DWorld, upcoming 60-man orchestra Mario game.

The numbers just do not fit your point of view, they have resources assigned for the next big-production Mario game and it doesn't fit in a game of the caliber (or lack thereof) of 3DW.

I can't believe I have to argue this it is just so glaringly obvious to me.



DanneSandin on 11 June 2013
happydolphin said:
DanneSandin said:

I agree that DKCR needs a sequel, but is it what it needs NOW? Is it what Retro NEEDS to work with? I don't think so. But DKCFT is only a sum of all the parts. I'm not singling out that game; I'm talking about ALL the games Nintendo showed today. Very little innovation/new ideas was shown.

I am not saying that 3DLand ISN'T a new idea/take on Mario; on the contrary - I've said in this very thread that it was a new, fresh idea, but it's not what the Wii U needs. It's not the path 3D Mario should take. 3D Mario has NEVER copied another Mario game for it's core mechanics. 3D World looks too much like 3DLAnd. I hope you're right in that this will be a new spin off of Mario and that we'll see a "proper" 3D Mario next year or something like that...

I actually never played many Rare games. What brought me back was the Wii with Zelda TP and Mario Galaxy; the innovation that Nintendo had going the whole last gen.

You're just being overly eager and crapping on everything Nintendo offers until then. They will come....

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Zelda is on its way, a proper successor to Mario Galaxy is clearly on its way I can't believe you can think otherwise. Did you know that Galaxy had a 60-man orchestra?? Just for the music. They don't take Mario lightly on their home consoles.

3DWorld doesn't need to be a whole new idea, it just needs to be a sequel, just like DKC2 was to DKC1, or like Fusion was to Super Metroid. This isn't 3D Mario like you're reading it, it's a handheld 3D Mario game, it doesn't fit in your definition of a 3D Mario game not copying a prior entry. Also if you look very closely Galaxy borrows a lot from Sunshine. I'll try not to deviate too much but to say even mainline Mario doesn't borrow is not completely fair either. There is only so many entries in 3D Mario after which you can innovate. You only do spheroidal gravity once and then it's no longer an innovation.

DKCR 2 is exactly what is needed now, and in due time a proper 3D Mario and 3D Zelda game will arrive much like it mostly has mid-way through the Nintendo home console's life-cycle. Just be patient if Smash, X, MK and other great gaming content is not enought until then.

I know Zelda is coming, and I'm pumped for that! I think A Link Between Worlds is looking great! But guess what, it's also bringing new things to the franchise. 3DWorld isn't.



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happydolphin on 11 June 2013
DanneSandin said:

I know Zelda is coming, and I'm pumped for that! I think A Link Between Worlds is looking great! But guess what, it's also bringing new things to the franchise. 3DWorld isn't.

Not all sequels must be world-shattering unless they are expected as such. A sequel to 3DLand is fine as it is in 3DWorld. Again, there is no way in hell this is the successor to SMG. No way.



osed125 on 11 June 2013
DanneSandin said:
osed125 said:
DanneSandin said:

This! You're totally getting where I'm coming from!

I don't hate Nintendo, but I am disappointed. And 3DWorld isn't amazing - it's basically Mario 3D Land U. I'm VERY sure it's a great game, but it's not what 3D Mario is about. 3D Mario is about re-inventing Mario (Mario 64 - Mario SUnshine - Mario Galaxy). I'm not saying these games are bad; I'm positive they'll rock! But it's the lack of new ideas that bugs me.

1) I'm not saying 3D looks amazing, I'm referring to DKC Freeze or whatever. 

Sonic Lost World is a megaton imo. And he got like 2 seconds of gameplay...

2) Given that Sonic has been present exclusively on previous Nintendo platforms this can hardly be considered a megaton

Yes, I was expecting a new IP. They always brings a new IP every gen. Just look at the Wii-series.

3) Tell me when was the last time Nintendo showed a new "core" IP? I'm not talking about the Wii series here. The last one was W101 (and yes the IP belongs to Nintendo, not Platinum games), did you expect a new IP coming from Nintendo this soon? Again too many high expectations

My expectations are in line with how Nintendo works. They always brings new ideas to their franchises. Did not see that.

4)  As much as I didn't liked 3D Mario, we can't still rule out the possibility of new game ideas. The game aesthetically doesn't look like any improvements, but there might be some new gameplay mechanics (outside of power ups).

You get new ideas with W101, Bayonetta 2, maybe some new gameplay elements with 3D Mario and DKC. Again the games being the same aesthetically doesn't mean the play the same.





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DanneSandin on 11 June 2013
F0X said:
DanneSandin said:
F0X said:
I don't think you can determine which path 3D Mario should take until after we see sales figures for 3D World. If it passes Galaxy 2 like 3D Land did, then this is a step forward.

I can already play this game - on 3DS! That's the problem. I really do hope thet 3dLand/World becomes a new spin off - but it's not a "proper" 3D Mario like Galaxy or 64.


Truth be told, it seems as if this was envisioned as part of the same sub-set as 3D Land to begin with. Like how Galaxy 1-2 is a sub-set. And NSMB is a sub-set.

Which means it'll probably end at some point. I don't see EAD Tokyo pushing further after they play the multiplayer card... they seem to be focused on delivering upon ideas that couldn't be done in 3D Land (since it's a handheld title), similar to how Galaxy 2 existed because of the many leftover concepts from Galaxy 1.

I hope you're right. I hope they're making another 3D Mario! That will make me love 3DWorld for what it is! But right now, to me, it's the successor to Galaxy... And that's one of my gripes with it.



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DanneSandin on 11 June 2013
happydolphin said:
DanneSandin said:

How can you know that theyre working on a sequel to Galaxy (not that it'll be called Galaxy3)!?

I am expecting ONE new entry to each of Nintendo Big Franchises. ONE 3D Mario, ONE Zelda, ONE Metroid. But I'm also expecting them to bring something NEW - something we haven't seen in the series before. Do you understand my worries then? I'm expecting ONE 3D Mario, and as of right now that's 3DWorld - which is NOT bringing any new ideas...

@ONE Zelda: 4 Swords, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess. I'd count that as 2 ;) 4 Swords: ½, WW: 1, TP: ½

@ONE Metroid: Prime, Other M And N64 didn't have ANY Metroid game...

@ONE 3D Mario: 3DWorld, upcoming 60-man orchestra Mario game. I'm so hoping this is true! THAT would be awesome!

The numbers just do not fit your point of view, they have resources assigned for the next big-production Mario game and it doesn't fit in a game of the caliber (or lack thereof) of 3DW.

I can't believe I have to argue this it is just so glaringly obvious to me.





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DanneSandin on 11 June 2013
happydolphin said:
DanneSandin said:

I know Zelda is coming, and I'm pumped for that! I think A Link Between Worlds is looking great! But guess what, it's also bringing new things to the franchise. 3DWorld isn't.

Not all sequels must be world-shattering unless they are expected as such. A sequel to 3DLand is fine as it is in 3DWorld. Again, there is no way in hell his is the successor to SMG. No way.

As long as we get a "proper" 3D Mario I am TOTALLY fine with 3DWorld; but for me it's the successor to Galaxy right now - and it's not the successor I want or Wii U needs.



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