Here's an accurate depiction of the horribly mutated Brawl characters when they swapped movesets haha:

The videos in case you haven't seen it:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8ZDgjjDnWLM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmoY1RmoZFA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuLHui7omLQ

Gah that's creepy.

Anyone up to help me work on my Ice Climbers?

Pikachu mutated looks pretty cool ....peach on the other hand is quite freaky

Words Of Wisdom said: Grey Acumen said: Words Of Wisdom said: Grey Acumen said: In Melee, I could understand the talk about Tiers, but in Brawl, I'm just not seeing it. Melee, the best fighters basically ran to the faster medium weight characters; Marth, Link, Shiek, Fox, etc. In Brawl, it feels like tier ranking is dropped for more of a rock-paper-scissors effect. I've noticed a lot of the people I lose to with Kirby, I have a better shot with Marth (provided I was still at the top of my game with him) but people who give me a hell of a time while I'm using Marth are completely manageable with Kirby. Ultimately, I think what most of it comes down to is the ability to predict your opponents moves. When people go up against characters that they know well, either by using personally, or by having gone up against frequently, they do better, but if it's a more rarely used character, you end up at a major disadvantage. I think Marth survived the tier wars mostly due to Ken's strong skills early on. Beyond Ken's superb skills, he wasn't quite so high up. Ken who?

Theoreticly, marth was the best character in the game. In ANY FIGHTING GAME, you want to space your attacks,correct? This prevents the foe from grabbing you out of a block or shield. But marth has an added bonus from spacing. You do more damage/knockback if you hit with the tip. I have seen marths take characters from 0% to 90% all from spacing thier attacks to form combos. This isnt done on just the fast fallers(fox/falco/falcon), this is done on peach,sheik,samus as well. Also, marth can chain grab fox and falco(the most used characters) up to 25% with out being punished, and if you throw in some Uptilts and some fairs, you can easily reach a F-smash tipper for the KO. Marth is seriously the best character in the game. The only reason why fox/falco are better is because of thier sheer numbers and the combos you can do with them at a relativly easy skill level. Marth takes top notch mind games/spacing to use him at his max.

 Think, the top player in the world from 2003-2005 was Ken(marth). This was taken away from him at the end of 2005 by Mew2king who mained fox. But yet the 2nd best player in the world PC Chris(falco/fox) could beat Mew2king. Once Mew2king switched to marth in 2006, he would literaly 2-3 stock EVERY PLAYER excluding 2nd best Pc Chris and 3rd best Chudat(ice climber). It amazing how the previous world best and the current world best both use marth. And once they do, no one can best them, majority.

 

now for brawl, there and will be tiers. However, they way they are created will not be the same as melee. Since wave dashing and L-canceling are gone(2 big factors) you will need to judge by other things such as priority(metaknight), mind game SET UPS(snake) and spacing(marth). Brawl is a casual(noob) friendlie game. Ive seen trashy players hang 10 with pros.......but how? You cant PUNISH as well as you could in melee. In melee, if a falco predicted your roll, he could most likly get 75% damage on you for that mistake. In brawl, IF you get hit, its most likley an F-smash that does about 15%. Shield-hit-stun has been reduced so greatly, character like metaknight can D-smash out of there shield before the lag of your attack is done. this is broken.

 ill add more to this is some one answers back, if not. i wwanna brawl.

Words Of Wisdom said: taomaster06 said: @ izaaz? but if i post 10 and dont clear the cache and cookies before another post, then this happens. but im using another one now so its not going to happen again That is the dumbest thing I've read

Words Of Wisdom said: Grey Acumen said: Meh, don't listen to these guys, I was out for a couple weeks myself and still can give everyone a good run for their money. Excuse making. Ego padding. This post legend was brought to you by: Bueno Nacho: Home of the Naco Don't make your next meal a taco, make it a Naco.

luinil said: ahhh... WoW you are so mean. heh. I would play you but I am still at work and will be for a couple more hours.

Xeo_842 said: @ WoW, You big meanie! I'm telling my mommy on you!

iclim4 said: Haha, WoW is as mean as ever.

Words Of Wisdom said: I'm not mean. I win!  Yay!

@Tao
I don't really consider myself as "some of the best" yet. ^_^

iclim4 said: Fun games TGM, Shea and Furby(?) My strategies still need a lot of work. I'm still losing the same way, the only improvement I saw from myself today was the way I was dodging your projectiles TGM. @Shizzle Wow you dodge REALLY well. My Ike was dispatched real quick. Though I did start to get my mojo back at the end through all the times I lost. Overall great games. ^_^ How does Guild's stack up against you? And who's furby?(not sure about the spelling, though the name sounds similar)

Dodging is the only thing I am good at. I don't really know about guild. I haven't played with him in days, and I don't who furby is.

Umm, I have a question. Does anyone else here uses Mario and if so, do you use Mario's down B which is his Fluud? I have been trying to find some uses for it. I want to fight another Mario user.

In brawl, fludd has no uses. it was a waste of a move. as a whole, mario is in the bottom 5 characters. hes that bad. that doesnt mean YOU cant be good with him.

shizzlee said: iclim4 said: Fun games TGM, Shea and Furby(?) My strategies still need a lot of work. I'm still losing the same way, the only improvement I saw from myself today was the way I was dodging your projectiles TGM. @Shizzle Wow you dodge REALLY well. My Ike was dispatched real quick. Though I did start to get my mojo back at the end through all the times I lost. Overall great games. ^_^ How does Guild's stack up against you? And who's furby?(not sure about the spelling, though the name sounds similar) Dodging is the only thing I am good at. I don't really know about guild. I haven't played with him in days, and I don't who furby is. Umm, I have a question. Does anyone else here uses Mario and if so, do you use Mario's down B which is his Fluud? I have been trying to find some uses for it. I want to fight another Mario user.

You should give yourself more credit. You did a lot more than Dodge.
Also, you have pretty good observation skills.
I usually win at mind games with shiek, especially because her speed gives me an edge even when I make a mistake, but you easily predicted my moves.
Add to that the way you predicted my Ike's sidesteps.
I painfully noticed that I had a nack to try to dodge behind someone but you would always get me with a smash.

About guild, it doesn't matter if it's days old, I just want to know how he did.
From the way you can time dodges I think any Ike user would have trouble, because of Ike's long ending lags.
So if he did a lot better than me, then that would mean I'm doing something terribly wrong. T_T

TGM said: In brawl, fludd has no uses. it was a waste of a move. as a whole, mario is in the bottom 5 characters. hes that bad. that doesnt mean YOU cant be good with him.

She actually found a pretty good use for it against Ike's dash.
She would aim fludd when I'm trying to recover, once Ike is hit he's direction goes from horizontal to diagonal and he drops really slow and vulnerable to the ground open to any attacks.

Oh and how does Shiek, Toon link and Ike stack up against the other characters?

the problem with most players here is that they do predictive rolling. u roll right into smashes. or at least thats what i do to u guys. some of you think that if u roll behind me ill not know what to do.....im F-ing TGM. I created smash!!!!!

but honestly, roll the wrong way every once in a while, it will throw people off.