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I'm excited to see all those new IPs, I wonder if Epic Games will announce Gears of War 4 or a new exclusive IP. In terms of sequels I want to see PGR5 and Fable IV. I'd love Alan Wake 2 but that's not going to happen for years now. :(



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I'll say simply that I hope Xbox fans have a great E3. I hope it's everything they wish it to be. Hope all 15 games is exactly what they want it to be.




microsoft will be showing a bunch of great games, does anyone think any different?



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sales2099 said:
DarthVolod said:
yo_john117 said:
DarthVolod said:

I just want to know where Sony and Microsoft (we already can see that Nintendo is doing it right) stand when it comes to DRM. Games are great, but they are kind of immaterial to me if I am essentially "renting" them from Microosft and Sony thanks to the new draconian DRM that was talked about after the May 21st reveal.

I want to love both the Xbox One and the PS4, but if neither one will actually "sell" games to me anymore then I'll support Nintendo by default with Steam there to pick up the slack (yeah Steam doesn't sell games either, but the dirt cheap prices make the "rentals" justifiable).

On topic, I think the big reveal of a revived Rare franchise is what I'll be looking out for. Hoping for Banjo ... Killer Instinct was  great, but I suck at fighting games. A new Perfect Dark and Goldeneye has been done already so I don't see it being that. We haven't seen a true Banjo Kazooie game in a very long time. It would also help make up for the current lack of platformers/adventure on Xbox so it makes the most sense to me.

 

What if the drive to digital only games results in games having around the same prices and sales that Steam has. Also I would say it's not just renting when you buy digital simply because it's not a continuous fee, you only pay for the game once and you can access it wherever and whenever you want and it's much more reliable and convenient than a physical copy.

The thing I've noticed about everything that goes digital only is that it almost always leads to faster price drops and a significant amount of really good sales, especially when there are competitors. Obviously in this situation (when we're at 70% digital or more) MS is going to be competitive with PSN and Steam and vice versa.


I could certainly see prices dropping in a all digital market or a defacto digital market like the Xbox One is going for. The question then is, "why would I buy a Xbox One when I already have a PC?" Everyone needs a PC after all for web browsing, word processing, ect. ect. but a game console will, under this model, be a PC with a gimped OS that I can't really install any useful programs on nor can I upgrade it. Buying cheap used games was one of the main advantages of consoles ... what advantage does it have now? Let's say the next Xbox releases for about $400 and games are cheaper. We are probably still going to pay for Xbox live, and we will still need to own a PC anyways (basic web surfing only PCs go for at least 200-300 for a halfway decent one). 400 + 300 = 700 which is enough to buy/build a mid range PC capable of playing virtually anything a console can offer along with a slew of PC only games and a wealth of free games and MMOs. Video game consoles become obsolete under this model.

One of the key advantages of consoles over PC has been a cheap used market that allows for swapping games with friends. You buy relatively cheap dedicated console and avoid the hassle of upgrading hardware while buying pre-owned games on the cheap with some occaisional good 1st party games that PC players would not get. With used games eliminated, we just have the few exclusives that Xbox will offer. Even with the supposed 15 exclusives coming to Xbox One, how many of those will also be on PC remains to be seen.

After pondering all of this, I am starting to understand why Xbox One is moving towards TV and ect. in order to justify the existence of a console in a market where one can buy a PC, tablet, ect. that can do pretty much everything the console can do while also offering additional vital services (word processing, internet surfing ect.). Microsoft is going to have to do more then just turning the Xbox One into Steam since Steam exists on a device that everyone needs regardless of whether they are a gamer or not.

I guess as a retro gamer I was hoping things would continue on this way. In the not too distant future (after Xbox One goes under in favor of the next console) the only way we can access these games will be through emulation. It is not the end of the world if consoles go in this direction, but it does make it difficult for anyone to justify the purchase of consoles when PC offers literally everything a console can offer on a device that you need to own anyways. Used games was always a big advantage over PC, but it looks like that is going away.

Also, I refer to it as "renting" since ownership is never really transfered. I will have access to the content I "rented" only so long as Microsoft keeps its servers running (so they decide when I "return" the product). I can play any of my Xbox 360 games 20, 30, or however many years from now so long as I maintain my system. Xbox One games will all have an expiration date on them that is determined by Microsoft. No matter how well you maintain your games, they will be paperweights in 5-10 years depending on how long Microsoft keeps the servers up.

I like your argument, but its a scenerio that MS isn't pursuing, nor are its fans.

This isn't about what Xbox can do that PC can't, its about what Xbox can do that PS4 can't. PC gamers have always gone their own way. This is about persuading people in the market for a console.


I guess that is the best way to put it. Historically, it has always been rather easy to see the difference between the PC experience and the console experience, but those lines have started to blur ever since online gaming on consoles became a thing. It could still be considered apples to oranges between PC and consoles at least for now ... especially with something like Wii U out there as a console that is probably the most different from anything that PC offers.



I hope so, Microsoft's conferences haven't been great since they introduced Kinect to the world



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maximrace said:
Now they show 10 awsome core games with stunning visuals and innovative gameplay and all the trolls will be bitch about are the 5 kinect/xbla games

Sadly, I think you are correct.  Some seem to think they E3 should only be about games they want to play.  What if they actually play a Kinect game, and it turns out the like it?

I really like Halo 4, Pac man DX, Plants vs Zombies, Skyrim and yes even Dance Central.  Does that make me less of a gamer?  (Oh, dear, I even play Star Wars Kinect – egaads!)

They should realize E3 should be like a restaurant menu - sure you might not like everything, but with more options, it makes more people happy. 

PS I hate being fat, and playing a few Kinect games helps me stay thin - then there is another bonus!



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

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Subie_Greg said:
I'll say simply that I hope Xbox fans have a great E3. I hope it's everything they wish it to be. Hope all 15 games is exactly what they want it to be.

I hope the non xbox fan consensus isn't that we expect ALL 15 to be shown. That is just unrealistic.



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